For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
March 16, 2005
President's Press Conference
James S. Brady Briefing Room
President George W. Bush calls on reporters during his press conference in the James S. Brady Press Briefing Room at
the White House Wednesday, March 16, 2005. White House photo by Paul Morse
10:15 A.M. EST
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you for giving me a chance to come by and say hello. I'm preparing for my trip out of town for
Easter -- the Easter week, and I thought I'd share some thoughts with you and answer some questions.
I am looking forward to continuing my dialogue with the people on Social Security. It's important for the American
people to understand that I believe the Social Security system has worked well, that Franklin Roosevelt did a positive
thing when he created the Social Security system, but that I am deeply concerned about the Social Security system for
younger Americans. And I believe we're making progress on convincing the American people of two things: One, nothing
will change for seniors, those who have retired or near retirement; and secondly, that we must work together to make
sure the system works for a younger generation of Americans. That's progress.
As I said -- I think I told you all earlier that one of my missions in the Social Security debate was to set that issue
before the people so the people fully understand why I was addressing it, in other words, why -- I fully understand some
in Washington are saying, why would the President bring this up, it's a difficult issue, it may cause us to have to make
a tough vote. I'm making that case to the people, and will continue to do so -- in Florida on Friday, and then we'll
head out West from Crawford and then back to Crawford for my meetings with Prime Minister Martin and President Fox.
I urge the members to go out and, when they go home, to talk to their constituents not only about the problem, but about
solutions. I urge members to start talking about how we're going to permanently fix Social Security. Members, I hope,
would not talk about a Band-Aid solution, but I think it's important for them to talk about a permanent fix, something
that will last forever. I think the voters will appreciate people who come up with constructive suggestions, not
statements merely in opposition of some ideas.
And so this is -- part of what I wanted to share with you is that I'm -- I'm actually enjoying myself on these trips. I
hope you're enjoying traveling with me. It's -- I like to get out of Washington, I like to discuss big issues, I like to
remind people that my job is to confront problems, and I will continue to talk about Social Security for the next period
of time.
Iraq had a meeting today of its transitional national assembly. It's a bright moment in what is a process toward the
writing of a constitution, the ratification of the constitution, and elections. And I want to congratulate the Iraqis
for their assembly. And it's -- we've always said this is a process, and today was a step in that process. And it's a
hopeful moment, I thought.
I am looking forward to seeing you down there in Crawford, those of you lucky enough to be able to travel with me. I
wish you all a happy Easter. And I'll be glad to answer some questions.
Q Mr. President, the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq once had 38 countries contributing troops. And now that number has
fallen to 24. And yesterday, Italy said that it was going to start pulling out some forces in September. How can you
keep the coalition from crumbling? And is it time to think about a timetable for pulling out some U.S. troops, given
that the Iraqi parliament was seated today, and you're making progress in training some forces?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, actually I called Silvio Berlusconi on another matter, which may or may not come up during this
press conference. It's -- I'll give you a hint. I called him about the World Bank, and -- (laughter) -- and discussed my
nominee, and -- but he brought up the issue of Italian troops in Iraq and said, first of all, he wanted me to know that
there was no change in his policy, that, in fact, any withdrawals would be done in consultation with allies and would be
done depending upon the ability of Iraqis to defend themselves. And I said, are you sure I can say this to the press
corps that will be wanting to know what took place in our conversation? He said, absolutely.
So I think what you're going to find is that countries will be willing -- anxious to get out when Iraqis have got the
capacity to defend themselves. And that's the position of the United States. Our troops will come home when Iraq is
capable of defending herself. And that's generally what I find to be the case, Terry, when I've talked to other allies
on this issue.
And we're making progress. I've talked to General Casey quite frequently. And he keeps us abreast of the progress being
made. One of the things -- one of the issues in terms of Iraqi troops being able to defend their country is the ability
to stand up chains of command. I think I've shared this with you before, and it's still an issue that they're working
on. There's officer training schools, plus the ability for a command to go from a civilian government to a military
chain of command, down to the lower ranks of troops. And there's positive signs that have taken place in the development
of the Iraqi security forces, and there's still work to be done. Our allies understand that.
But I say "anxious to come home," every -- nobody -- people want their troops home, but they don't want their troops
home if it affects the mission. We've gone -- we've made a lot of progress. It's amazing how much progress has been
made, thanks in large part to the courage of the Iraqi people. And when I talk to people, most understand we need to
complete the mission. And completing the mission means making sure the Iraqis can defend themselves.
Q So you don't think it's crumbling, the coalition?
THE PRESIDENT: No, quite -- quite to the contrary, I think the coalition is -- has been buoyed by the courage of the
Iraqi people. I think they've been pleased and heartened by the fact that the Iraqis went to the polls and voted and
they're now putting together a government, and they see progress is being made. And I share that sense of enthusiasm
about what's taking place in Iraq.
Yes, Steve.
Q Yes, sir. The Iranians have dismissed the European incentive as insignificant. Should more incentives be offered? How
long do they have until you take their case to the Security Council?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I -- first of all, I want to thank our European friends for taking the lead on this issue, telling
the Iranians that they should permanently abandon any enrichment or reprocessing to make sure that Iran does not develop
a nuclear weapon.
Let me review the bidding on this, if I might, just kind of the history, right quick. Iran has concealed its -- a
nuclear program. That became discovered, not because of their compliance with the IAEA or NPT, but because a dissident
group pointed it out to the world, and -- which raised suspicions about the intentions of the program. You can
understand why. It's a non-transparent regime, they're run by a handful of people. And so suspicions were raised. And as
a result of those suspicions, we came together with friends and allies to seek a guarantee that they wouldn't use any
nuclear program to make weapons. A lot of people understand that if they did have a weapon, it would create incredible
instability; it wouldn't be good for world peace.
And so the best way to do that -- and this is where we are in the talks -- was to say to the Iranians that they must
permanently abandon enrichment and reprocessing. And the EU 3 meant it. And now we're waiting for an Iranian response.
Q So how long do you -- how long do you wait? When do you go to the Security Council?
THE PRESIDENT: The understanding is we go to the Security Council if they reject the offer. And I hope they don't. I
hope they realize the world is clear about making sure that they don't end up with a nuclear weapon.
David.
Q Mr. President, you say you're making progress in the Social Security debate. Yet private accounts, as the centerpiece
of that plan, something you first campaigned on five years ago and laid before the American people, remains, according
to every measure we have, poll after poll, unpopular with a majority of Americans. So the question is, do you feel that
this is a point in the debate where it's incumbent upon you, and nobody else, to lay out a plan to the American people
for how you actually keep Social Security solvent for the long-term?
THE PRESIDENT: First of all, Dave, let me, if I might correct you, be so bold as to correct you, I have not laid out a
plan yet, intentionally. I have laid out principles, I've talked about putting all options on the table, because I fully
understand the administration must work with the Congress to permanently solve Social Security. So one aspect of the
debate is, will we be willing to work together to permanently solve the issue.
Personal accounts do not solve the issue. But personal accounts will make sure that individual workers get a better deal
with whatever emerges as a Social Security solution.
And the reason why is because a personal account would enable a worker to, voluntarily, by the way -- this is a
voluntary program, you can choose to join or choose not to join. The government is not making you do that, it's your
option, and you can decide whether or not you want to put some of your own money aside in a conservative mix of stocks
and bonds to earn a better rate of return than that which you would earn -- your money would earn inside the Social
Security system. And over time, that compounds, it grows, and you would end up with a nest egg you could call your own.
And so I think it's an interesting idea, and one that people ought to discuss to make sure the system works better for
an individual worker. But it's very important for people to understand that the permanent solution will require Congress
and the administration working together on a variety of different possibilities.
Q But, sir, but Democrats have made it pretty clear that they're not interested in that. They want you to lay it out.
And so, what I'm asking is, don't --
THE PRESIDENT: I'm sure they do. The first bill on the Hill always is dead on arrival. I'm interested in coming up with
a permanent solution. I'm not interested in playing political games. (Laughter.) I'm interested in working with members
of both political parties.
Q Would you say if you're specifically supportive of an income test for the slowing of future benefits? Could that get
some kind of bipartisan consensus going?
THE PRESIDENT: David, there's some interesting ideas out there. One of the interesting ideas was by the fellow -- by a
Democrat economist name of Posen. He came to visit the White House -- he didn't see me, but came and tossed some
interesting ideas out, talking about making sure the system was progressive. We're open for ideas. And I -- look, I can
understand why people say, make -- force the President to either negotiate with himself, or lay out his own bill. I want
to work with members of both political parties.
And I stood up in front of the Congress and said, bring your ideas forward. And I'm looking forward to people bringing
ideas forward. That's how the process works. I'm confident we'll get something done. See, the American people want
something done. They don't like partisan politics; they don't like people saying, I'm not going to accept so-and-so's
idea because it happens to come from a particular political party. What they want is people coming together to solve
this problem.
John.
Q Mr. President, the price of oil is at record levels, well above the $28 price point that you would prefer. The price
of gasoline is projected to go above $2.50 this spring. How concerned are you that this could start to affect the
American economy? Is there more you could do to talk with oil-producing nations to get the price at the wellhead down?
And is there more you could do, since part of the problem is refining capacity, to encourage oil companies who haven't
built a new refinery in 20 years to start increasing their capacity domestically?
THE PRESIDENT: No, I am concerned about the price of energy. I'm concerned about what it means to the average American
family when they see the price of gasoline going up. I'm concerned what it means to small businesses. I'm worried about
the price of natural gas, particularly given the sense that because a lot of utilities now rely upon natural gas to
provide electricity for their consumers. And I have been worried about this since 2001, when I first showed up in
Washington, D.C.
I'm concerned about the relationship between the demand for oil -- our growing economy's demand for oil, but more
particularly, the demand for oil from -- or energy, in general, from countries like China, fast-growing countries that
are consuming a lot of raw materials and natural resources. And it is of concern, John. And that's why I went to the
Congress and asked them to join in a comprehensive energy plan, which they have yet to do. I would hope that when
members go back to their districts and hear the complaints of people about the rising price of gasoline, or complaints
from small business owners about the cost of energy, that they will come back and, in the spirit of -- in a proper
spirit, get a bill to my desk that encourages conservation and continue to find alternative sources of energy.
The -- and by the way, the modernization of the electricity grid is an important part of the energy bill. I, frankly,
don't think we need a lot of incentives for energy companies in the energy bill. The incentive is price. That's plenty
of incentive for people to go out and find additional resources. I hope Congress passes ANWR. There's a way to get some
additional reserves here at home on the books.
In terms of world supply, I think if you look at all the statistics, demand is outracing supply, and supplies are
getting tight. And that's why you're seeing the price reflected. And hopefully, there will be more conservation around
the world, better conservation around the world, as well as additional supplies of energy.
One thing is for certain; we've got to use our technology to, over time, evolve away from reliance upon oil and gas, and
at the same time use our technologies to make sure we can use our plentiful resources like coal in an environmentally
friendly way. I went to Columbus, Ohio the other day and talked to the person responsible for the FutureGen plant, which
is an innovative use of technology for there to be emissions-free coal-burning plants. That would not only be helpful to
the United States, it would be helpful for the world -- developing nations to be able to use this technology.
This is going to be a subject, by the way -- was a subject of interest in my trip to Europe. In the councils of the EU,
we talked about how we can work together on technological developments to change habits and change supply of the energy
mix for the world. And this will be a topic of -- at the G8, as well.
Yes.
Q Mr. President, could I follow up? Everybody else has had a chance to follow up.
THE PRESIDENT: I know, I'm trying to break the habit. (Laughter.) Sorry, it's not you, Roberts. Don't take it
personally. (Laughter.)
Q I never do, sir.
THE PRESIDENT: That's good. Neither do I.
Q Mr. President, can you explain why you've approved of and expanded the practice of what's called rendition, of
transferring individuals out of U.S. custody to countries where human rights groups and your own State Department say
torture is common for people under custody?
THE PRESIDENT: The post-9/11 world, the United States must make sure we protect our people and our friends from attack.
That was the charge we have been given. And one way to do so is to arrest people and send them back to their country of
origin with the promise that they won't be tortured. That's the promise we receive. This country does not believe in
torture. We do believe in protecting ourselves. We don't believe in torture. And --
Q As Commander-in-Chief --
THE PRESIDENT: Sorry, what -- make Roberts feel terrible.
Q That's all right.
THE PRESIDENT: No, no, you shouldn't make --
Q It doesn't bother me at all. (Laughter.)
THE PRESIDENT: Elisabeth.
Q As Commander-in-Chief, what is it that Uzbekistan can do in interrogating an individual that the United States can't?
THE PRESIDENT: We seek assurances that nobody will be tortured when we render a person back to their home country.
Elisabeth.
Q Paul Wolfowitz, who was the -- a chief architect of one of the most unpopular wars in our history --
THE PRESIDENT: (Laughter.) That's an interesting start. (Laughter.)
Q -- is your choice to be the President of the World Bank. What kind of signal does that send to the rest of the world?
THE PRESIDENT: First of all, I think people -- I appreciate the world leaders taking my phone calls as I explained to
them why I think Paul will be a strong President of the World Bank. I've said he's a man of good experiences. He helped
manage a large organization. The World Bank is a large organization; the Pentagon is a large organization -- he's been
involved in the management of that organization. He's a skilled diplomat, worked at the State Department in high
positions. He was Ambassador to Indonesia where he did a very good job representing our country. And Paul is committed
to development. He's a compassionate, decent man who will do a fine job in the World Bank. And that's why I called
leaders of countries and that's why I put him up.
I was pleased to see that Jim Wolfensohn, earlier today, made a very strong comment about Paul's candidacy. Jim
Wolfensohn has done a fine job in leading the World Bank. He's represented the World Bank with a lot of class and a lot
of dignity, and I think his comments are very important comments for -- for people to get to know Paul better before the
-- before the vote is taken.
Jim.
Q Tom DeLay, the House Majority Leader, has been admonished three times by the House Ethics Committee, is currently
embroiled in several controversies involving a lobbyist who happened to be a pretty big fundraiser for your two
campaigns. Do you have the full confidence in Tom DeLay, his tactics and his leadership role in the Republican Party?
THE PRESIDENT: I have confidence in Tom DeLay's leadership, and I have confidence in Tom DeLay. And I am -- we've worked
closely with Tom DeLay and the leaders in the House to get a lot done during the last four years, and I'm looking
forward to working with him to get a lot done during the next four years. We've got a big agenda. We've got to get an
energy bill out of the House; we've got to get more legal reform out of the House; we've got to get a Social Security
reform package out of the House; got to get a budget out of the House. There's a lot going on. And Speaker Hastert and
Leader DeLay and Whip Blunt are close allies and people with whom we're working to get a lot done.
Q Mr. President, you have spoken out about the need for owners, coaches and players in all sports to stop steroid use.
And you've also voiced reservations about government getting too involved in that. And as you know, Congress is issuing
subpoenas to Major League baseball players during spring training. Do you think that that's an abuse of power, or is it
appropriate, in your view?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, Congress generally has an independent mind of its own. I spoke out and was pleased to see that
baseball responded, and they've got a testing policy in place for the first time ever -- a firm testing policy in place.
And it's very important that baseball then follow through and implement the testing and, obviously, deal with those who
get caught cheating in the system.
And the hearings will go forward, I guess. I guess that's the current status. But I'm wise enough not to second-guess
the intentions of the United States Congress. I do appreciate the public concern about the use of steroids in sports,
whether it be baseball or anywhere else, because I understand that when a professional athlete uses steroids, it sends
terrible signals to youngsters. There's -- we've had some stories in my own state, one of the newspapers there pointed
out that they thought there was steroid use in high schools as a result of -- in order to make sure these kids, at least
in the kid's mind, could be a better athlete. It's a bad signal. It's not right. And so I appreciate the fact that
baseball is addressing this, and I appreciate the fact that the Congress is paying attention to the issue. This first
started, of course, with Senator McCain, who basically said, get your house in order. And baseball responded, and my
hope is the system will work.
Q You have no problem with the subpoenas?
THE PRESIDENT: No.
Carl.
Q Mr. President, your judicial nominees continue to run into problems on Capitol Hill. Republicans are discussing the
possibility of ending the current Democratic filibuster practice against it. And Democrats yesterday, led by Minority
Leader Harry Reid, went to the steps of the Capitol to say that if that goes forward, they will halt your agenda
straight out. What does that say about your judicial nominees, the tone on Capitol Hill? And which is more important,
judges or your agenda?
THE PRESIDENT: Both. I believe that I have a obligation to put forth good, honorable people to serve on the bench, and
have done so. And I expect them to get a up or down vote on the floor of the Senate. This isn't a new position for me,
or the -- I've been saying this for the last several years. And they ought to get a vote. They're getting voted out of
committee, but they're not getting a vote on the floor. And I don't think it's fair to the candidates, and I don't think
it's fair to the administration for this policy to go forward. And so, hopefully, the Senate will be able to conduct
business and also get my nominees a vote -- an up or down vote on the floor of the Senate.
Yes, sir. John.
Q Sir, on Social Security, what is the time line that you want to see for action by Congress on a bill? When do you
start to get worried about not getting something done this year? And also, if I can add, would you be willing to drop
personal accounts in order to get a bill?
THE PRESIDENT: Personal accounts are very important for the individuals. It's a -- you know, it's interesting -- David
quoted some poll -- there's all kinds of polls. For every poll you quote, I'll quote another one. It's kind of the way
Washington works these days. They poll everything. The one I read the other day said people like the idea of personal
accounts.
I think people like the idea of being able to take some of their own money -- in other words, government says, you can
decide, as opposed to, we'll decide for you, you get to decide if this is in your interest. And you get to decide
whether you want to set some of your money aside in an account that will earn a better rate of return than that which
will be earned in the Social Security system. That's an important part of making sure the system works for the
individual.
I repeat, personal accounts do not permanently fix the solution. They make the solution more attractive for the
individual worker. And that's important for people for understand, John, and that's why it's very important for Congress
to discuss this issue.
In terms of timetables, as quickly as possible -- whatever that means. No, I am going to -- one of the things that I
think is very important for people to understand is that I believe that we have a duty to work on big problems in
Washington, D.C., and so I'm going to continue working on this. And it's, I guess -- I'm not going to go away on the
issue, because the issue is not going to go away. The longer we wait, the more difficult it is to solve the problem.
And, listen, I fully understand it's a difficult issue; otherwise it would have been solved a long time ago. And I
understand some members don't -- view this as a tough vote. In other words, why did you bring it up, it's a tough vote?
And -- but that's just not the way I think, John. I think we have a duty. I truly do. This is -- now is the time to get
this solved. I remember 1983, we've got a 75-year solution. It wasn't a 75-year solution that they came up with. It was
a -- I like the spirit of people coming together from both parties to sit down and see if they couldn't solve the
immediate problem, but it wasn't a 75-year solution because we're talking about it now. And in 2018, the situation
starts to get worse because more money is coming into the system -- I mean, more money is going out of the system than
coming in.
You know, one thing about Social Security -- I'm sorry to blow on here, but now that you asked -- a lot of people in
America think there is a trust: your money goes in, the government holds it, and then the government gives your money
back when you retire. That's just not the way it works. And it's important for the American citizens to understand. It's
a pay-as-you-go system. And right now, we're paying for a lot of programs other than Social Security with the payroll
tax coming in, thereby leaving a pile of IOUs. And part of why I think a personal account is an attractive option for a
younger worker is that there will be real assets in the system at this point in time.
I also will continue reminding people, when it comes to personal accounts, that the system oftentimes doesn't work for a
widow. You know, if a wage-earner dies prior to 62, there are no spousal benefits available until 62. If the spouse --
both spouses work, the spouse that survives will get the higher of his or her Social Security benefits, or the death
benefits, but not both. In other words, somebody's contribution to the system just goes away. And a personal account
will enable somebody to leave behind an asset base to whomever he or she chooses. And that's an important concept for
people to understand.
Peter.
Q Mr. President, your administration recently called on the Texas courts to review some death -- some death penalty
cases down there.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes.
Q And during your State of the Union you talked about the importance of DNA evidence, and you talked about the
possibility that maybe there were inequities in the system and the lawyers that represent death row inmates. I'm
wondering if this represents a change in your feelings about the death penalty since you were governor of Texas. And if
there are the possibilities -- the possibilities exist of problems, why not call on -- for a moratorium?
THE PRESIDENT: No, I still support the death penalty, and I think it's a deterrent to crime. But I want to make sure,
obviously, that those subject to the death penalty are truly guilty. And that's why I talked about what I talked about,
and why I made the decision I made. I think, regardless of your position on the issue, one of the things we got to make
sure is that we use, in this case, technology, DNA technology, to make sure that we're absolutely certain about the
innocence or guilt of a person accused.
Yes.
Q Mr. President, are you trying to send a message to the IRA by not inviting Gerry Adams and the other Northern Ireland
politicians tomorrow?
THE PRESIDENT: I talked to Bertie Ahern about this and -- at the EU, and he just asked who was coming to the events,
which -- I said, you are, for certain. And we wanted to make sure that we honored those in civil society in Ireland who
are contributing positively to the peace process. And that's what we'll be doing on this particular trip.
It's very important that people understand that the parties must renounce violence. There's a -- the Good Friday
Agreement laid out the way forward for peace in Northern Ireland, and this administration and our government strongly
supports those steps. But tomorrow's message will be, we want to thank those in civil society who are working hard to
achieve a peaceful resolution.
Q By inviting the widow -- the sisters, rather, of this man who was killed --
THE PRESIDENT: That's part of the statement -- a very strong part of the statement. And I'm looking forward to meeting
these very brave souls. They've committed themselves to a peaceful solution. And hopefully, their loved one will not
have died in vain. I mean, out of the -- hopefully, some good will come out of the evil perpetuated on this family.
Yes, sir.
Q Mr. President, yesterday you said that Hezbollah could prove it is not a terrorist organization by laying down arms
and supporting peace. How willing and flexible, and under what conditions are you able to, as you promote democracy in
the Middle East, encourage parties like Hezbollah to discontinue the use of terrorism as a tactic?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I think -- let me make sure that you put my answer into full context. I first said that Hezbollah is
on the terrorist list for a reason: because they have killed Americans in the past, and they -- they're a violent
organization. And the question was about Lebanon, and let me take a step back, if I might, on this question, because
it's important for the American people to understand our policy.
Our policy is this: We want there to be a thriving democracy in Lebanon. We believe that there will be a thriving
democracy, but only if -- but only if -- Syria withdraws not only her troops completely out of Lebanon, but also her
secret service organizations, intelligence organizations -- not secret service, intelligence organizations. I am
concerned, and the world should be concerned that the intelligence organizations are embedded in a lot of government
functions in Lebanon, and there needs to be a complete withdrawal of those services in order for there to be a free
election. And we will -- this government will work with a -- elected leaders of a free, truly free Lebanon, and looking
forward to it.
I like the idea of people running for office. There's a positive effect when you run for office. Maybe some will run for
office and say, vote for me, I look forward to blowing up America. I don't know, I don't know if that will be their
platform or not. But it's -- I don't think so. I think people who generally run for office say, vote for me, I'm looking
forward to fixing your potholes, or making sure you got bread on the table. And so -- but Hezbollah is on the terrorist
list for a reason, and remain on the terrorist list for a reason. Our position has not changed on Hezbollah.
Judy.
Q President Bush, a court ruling in California this week has revived debate over same-sex marriage. You support a
constitutional amendment to ban such marriages. But it's not something you talk about nearly as often as Social Security
and many other issues. Will you put some muscle behind that effort this year? Or is it something you'd prefer not to
deal with?
THE PRESIDENT: No, I haven't changed my position. And as a matter of fact, the court rulings are verifying why I took
the position I took, and that is I don't believe judges ought to be deciding this issue. I believe this is an issue of
particular importance to the American people and should be decided by the people. And I think the best way to do so is
through the constitutional process. I haven't changed my mind at all. As a matter of fact, court rulings such as this
strengthen my position it seems like to me. People now understand why I laid out the position I did.
Q What can you do to promote action on that amendment?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, I -- the courts are going to promote a lot of the action by their very rulings. People will
understand that -- the logic behind the decision I made. And no matter what your position is on the issue, this is an
issue that should be decided by the people, not by judges. And the more that judges start deciding the issue, I'm
confident the more the people will want to be involved in the issue. This is a very important issue for the country and
one that obviously needs to be conducted with a great deal of sensitivity and concern about other people's feelings. But
this is -- it's an issue I feel strongly about.
Yes, Stretch.
Q Mr. President, you faced a lot of skepticism in the run-up to the Iraq war, and a lot of criticism for miscalculating
some of the challenges of postwar Iraq. Now that the Iraq elections seem to be triggering signs of democratization
throughout the broader Middle East, do you feel any sense of vindication?
THE PRESIDENT: First of all, I fully understand that as long as I'm the President I will face criticism. It's like part
of the job. Frankly, you wouldn't be doing your job if you didn't occasionally lay out the gentle criticism. I welcome
constructive ideas as to how we might do our job better. So that doesn't bother me. And, therefore, since it doesn't
bother me and I expect it, I don't then seek vindication.
Look, history -- shall I give you my talk on history and presidencies? Okay, thank you. I don't -- what's interesting is
George Washington is now getting a second, or third, or fifth, or tenth look in history. I read the Ellis book, which is
a really interesting book, and -- "His Excellency," it's called. And McCullough is writing a book on George Washington,
as well. People are constantly evaluating somebody's standing in history, a President's standing in history, based upon
events that took place during the presidency, based upon things that happened after the presidency, based upon -- like
in my case, hopefully, the march of freedom continues way after my presidency. And so I just don't worry about
vindication or standing.
The other thing, it turns out, in this job you've got a lot on your plate on a regular basis, you don't have much time
to sit around and wander, lonely, in the Oval Office, kind of asking different portraits, how do you think my standing
will be? (Laughter.) I've got a lot to do. And I like to make decisions, and I make a lot of them.
But, you know, look, the people who deserve the credit in Iraq are the Iraqi citizens that defied the terrorists.
Imagine what it would be like to try to go vote thinking that there could be a suicide bomber standing next to you in
line, or somebody would lob a shell or a mortar at you. The courage of the Iraqi citizens was just overwhelming, I
thought. It's easy for us to vote. The question is, what it would be like to vote if you were fearful for your life.
Parts of the country people were getting messages that said, if you vote we'll find somebody you love and take care of
them. And yet they defied these terrorists. It was a powerful moment in the history of freedom. People in the world got
to see what it means to -- for a group of people that have been downtrodden to rise up and say, I want to be free.
Now, there's a lot of work to be done, and I'm sure there will be some opinions about what takes place during the next
nine months, as the constitution is written, and whether or not the elections move forward as smoothly as some think
they should. Obviously, there's concern now I read about -- occasionally reading, I want you to know, in the second term
-- that -- your stories, that is -- that they haven't formed a government yet. But I take a different look. First of
all, obviously, there will be a government formed, but I think it is interesting and -- to watch the process of people
negotiating and worrying about this and worrying about that, and people seeking out positions as to their stands on
issues that will be relevant to the future of Iraq. It's a wholesome process. And it's being done in a transparent way.
I mean, you've got the press corps all over them, watching every move, which is a positive example for others in the
region.
And that's important. It's important for people in that region to see what is possible in a free society. And I firmly
believe that the examples of Iraq and Afghanistan -- I believe there will be a Palestinian state; I believe we'll be
able to convince Syria to fully withdraw, or else she'll be isolated -- fully withdraw from Lebanon, or else she'll be
isolated -- I believe those examples will serve as examples for others over time. And that will lead to more peace. And
that's what we want.
Yes, Carl.
Q Mr. President, do you also think it will lead to America's reputation being restored? Earlier this week you brought
Karen Hughes back at ambassador rank to address the question of antipathy to America around the world --
THE PRESIDENT: Yes.
Q -- particularly the Muslim world. What does that entail?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, it entails a couple of things, Carl. It entails people understanding why we do things we do. You
know, for example, there was -- I think we had the image of wanting to fight Muslims -- the United States stood squarely
against a religion, as opposed to a society which welcomes all religions. And, in fact, we're fighting a handful of
people relative to the Muslim population that wanted to -- I used to say -- hijack the religion.
People need to understand we're a compassionate nation and we care deeply about suffering, regardless of where people
live. And the -- you know, President Clinton and President Bush 41 did a fine job of helping the world see the great
compassion of America when they went on the -- went on their trips in the areas ravaged by the tsunamis.
It is very important for us to have a message that counteracts some of the messages coming out of some of the Arab media
-- some of it coming out, partly, because of our strong and unwavering friendship with Israel. You know, Israel is an
easy target for some of the media in the Middle East, and if you're a friend of Israel, you become a target. And since
we're not going to abandon our alliance with Israel, there's a -- there was some churning in the press, and there was
some unhelpful things being said. And so part of that is to make sure people understand the truth. And that is, in this
particular issue, you bet we're going to stand by Israel. But we also believe the Palestinians have the capability of
self-governance in a truly democratic state that will live side-by-side with the Israelis in peace.
And so Karen is going -- one, I want to thank her for coming back from Austin. It's very hard, if you're a Texan, to
abandon Austin for anywhere else, and -- or Texas for anywhere else. Secondly, I applaud Secretary Rice's decision to
include Karen in the process. I thought that was very wise of her to call upon Karen's talents. And Dina Powell, from my
office, an Egyptian American, is also going over, leaving the White House compound to work with Karen, because she
believes deeply in the American experience, in American values, and wants to share those values with people around the
world.
And, you know, I think when people also see, Carl, that we do what we say we're going to do -- for example, that we
helped feed the hungry and that we believe all folks should be free and that women should have an equal say in society.
I think when people see we actually mean that, and then when it comes to fruition, it will help people around the world
better understand our good hearts and good nature.
Yes, Ken.
Q Mr. President, earlier this year, you told us you wanted your administration to cease and desist on payments to
journalists to promote your agenda. You cited the need for ethical concerns and the need for bright line between the
press and the government. Your administration continue to make the use of video news releases, which is prepackaged news
stories sent to television stations, fully aware that some -- or many of these stations will air them without any
disclaimer that they are produced by the government. The Comptroller General of the United States, this week, said that
raises ethical questions. Does it raise ethical questions about the use of government money to produce stories about the
government that wind up being aired with no disclosure that they were produced by the government?
THE PRESIDENT: There is a Justice Department opinion that says these -- these pieces are within the law, so long as
they're based upon facts, not advocacy. And I expect our agencies to adhere to that ruling, to that Justice Department
opinion. This has been a longstanding practice of the federal government to use these types of videos. The Agricultural
Department, as I understand it, has been using these videos for a long period of time. The Defense Department, other
departments have been doing so. It's important that they be based on the guidelines set out by the Justice Department.
Now, I also -- I think it would be helpful if local stations then disclosed to their viewers that that's -- that this
was based upon a factual report, and they chose to use it. But evidently, in some cases, that's not the case. So,
anyway.
Q The administration could guarantee that's happening by including that language in the pre-packaged report.
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I don't -- oh, you mean a disclosure, "I'm George W. Bush, and I" --
Q Well, some way to make sure it couldn't air without the disclosure that you believe is so vital.
THE PRESIDENT: You know, Ken, there's a procedure that we're going to follow, and the local stations ought to -- if
there's a deep concern about that, ought to tell their viewers what they're watching.
Q Mr. President, do you think there should be regime change in Iran? And if so, what are you prepared to do to see that
happen?
THE PRESIDENT: Richard, I believe that the Iranian people ought to be allowed to freely discuss opinions, read a free
press, have free votes, be able to choose amongst political parties. I believe Iran should adopt democracy; that's what
I believe.
Q Mr. President --
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, ma'am.
Q Thank you, sir. Do you believe that nativity scenes and the Ten Commandments should continue to be displayed on
federal property or in schools?
THE PRESIDENT: We had a display of the Ten Commandments on the statehouse grounds in Texas, and I supported that
display.
Q Mr. President, back to Social Security, if I may. You said right at the top today that you urged members of Congress
to go out and talk about the problem with their constituents.
THE PRESIDENT: About solutions to the problem.
Q But also to talk about solutions. It's that part of it I want to ask about. Aren't you asking them to do something
that you really haven't been willing to do yet?
THE PRESIDENT: No, I'm interested in -- first of all, I have laid out, in the State of the Union address -- I haven't
looked at all previous State of the Union addresses, but I think I'm the first President ever to say, all options are on
the table, and named a series of options. I think. Now, maybe somebody could go back and find out -- if you've got some
idle time on your hand, you might want to go read previous State of the Union addresses and see if that's true.
I don't believe members should go write a bill, but I do believe a member should start discussing ideas with
constituencies about how to solve the problem, as opposed to blocking ideas -- to say, here are some ideas, and come
back and present them. That's what's happening, by the way. There's a lot of members are talking about different
concepts. I've called a lot of them into the White House compound, I've listened to them. There's a variety of ideas.
And that's positive. I view that as a positive sign that members of Congress, one, take the problem seriously -- I
thought it was helpful yesterday when the United States Senate said that Social Security is a serious problem that
requires a permanent solution.
And now it's time for people, when they get back from Easter, having talked to different constituency groups, to come
back and sit down and start sharing ideas about how to move the process forward. And my pledge is that I will not take
somebody's idea and use it as a political weapon against them. That's what's changed in this debate. In other words, the
Social Security -- they used to call it the third rail of American politics, because when you talked about it, you got
singed, at the minimum. And it's now time to talk about it in a serious way, to come up with a permanent solution.
Yes, Jackson.
Q Mr. President, you talked earlier about going --
THE PRESIDENT: I can't call on Herman and not on Jackson.
Q Thank you. You talked about going to the Security Council if Iran turns down this EU 3 deal. Iran says they're not
making nuclear weapons. Are we looking at a potential military confrontation with Iran?
THE PRESIDENT: No, we've got a lot of diplomacy, you know. There's a lot of diplomacy on this issue. And that's why I
was so pleased to be able to participate with our friends, France and Great Britain and Germany, to say to the Iranians,
we speak with a common voice, and we share suspicions because of your past behavior. And the best way to ensure that you
do not develop a nuclear weapon is for you to have no enrichment of plutonium -- of -- have no highly enriched uranium
program or plutonium program that could lead to a weapon. That's what we've said.
And we just started the process -- we just had the discussion. How long ago was I in Europe? Maybe 10 days, or so? Two
weeks? About two weeks? I mean, it takes a while for things to happen in the world, David. I mean, I know there's a
certain impatience with a never-ending news cycle. But things don't happen on -- necessarily overnight the way some
would like them, you know, solve this issue and we go to the next issue. There's a certain patience required in order to
achieve a diplomatic objective. And our diplomatic objective is to continue working with our friends to make it clear to
Iran we speak with a single voice.
Listen, whoever thought about modernizing this room deserves a lot of credit. (Laughter.) Like, there's very little
oxygen in here anymore. (Laughter.) And so, for the sake of a health press corps and a healthy President, I'm going to
end the press conference. But I want to thank you for giving me a chance to come by and visit. I wish you all --
genuinely wish you all a happy Easter holiday with you and your family.
Thank you.
Q Can I get that follow-up now?
THE PRESIDENT: What?
Q Can I get that follow-up now? (Laughter.)
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