Daily Press Briefing - July 28, 2011
Mark C. Toner
Deputy Department Spokesman
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
July 28, 2011
TRANSCRIPT:
12:47 p.m. EDT
MR. TONER: Welcome, everyone, to the State Department. Just a few things briefly at the top, and then I’ll take your
questions.
I do want to note that applications are now being accepted from American citizens for the United Nations Young
Professionals Program, a recruitment initiative that brings new talent to the United Nations through an annual entrance
examination. So for young, high-caliber American professionals, the examination is a platform for launching an exciting
career at the United Nations.
It’s worth noting that Americans have long been insufficiently represented at the UN, and we’re seeking to address that.
The United Nations would benefit from a larger cadre of American voices in its ranks, voices that will provide a U.S.
perspective where that perspective’s not currently available. So we encourage everyone who is interested to apply. The
application period runs until September 10th and the examination will be held on December 7th. And you can learn more by
visiting the UN Careers website at careers.un.org.
I also want to offer our sincere condolences on the death of His Excellency Archbishop Pietro Sambi. Archbishop Sambi
was the papal nuncio in Washington for the past six years, and he was a well-loved colleague in Washington, in the
diplomatic corps, as well as a dedicated representative who worked tirelessly to deepen U.S.-Vatican relations. And our
thoughts and prayers go out to the Sambi family at this sad and difficult time.
With that, I’ll take your questions.
QUESTION: Okay. Well, just one: Who says that the U.S. is insufficiently represented at the UN? And it’s hard for me to
understand how anyone, other than the American Government, is complaining that the U.S. voice is not heard loud enough
--
MR. TONER: Again, we believe that that --
QUESTION: -- considering the rest of the world thinks that it’s completely dominated by the --
MR. TONER: Point taken, Matt. We believe, though, it’s necessary to constantly refresh our cadre of people at the –
working within the UN organization.
QUESTION: Percentage? How many people?
MR. TONER: I do not have a percentage figure, but again, what I was speaking about more broadly is the importance of
young Americans applying and seeking a career at the UN. It’s a worthwhile opportunity.
QUESTION: Speaking of New York, can you tell us what happened this morning at the meeting with the North Koreans?
MR. TONER: Well, I can only – I don’t have much information to provide since those meetings are ongoing. They did begin
this morning. As you know, our Special Representative for North Korea Policy Ambassador Stephen Bosworth is leading our
delegation, and as I said, they are meeting with the North Korean delegation led by First Vice Foreign Minister Kim Kye
Gwan, and that’s taking place at the UN Mission in New York. And we expect that they’ll meet throughout the day, and
probably that will continue – or not probably, that will – we expect that to continue through tomorrow.
QUESTION: So did they break for lunch or are they breaking for lunch? Or what exactly are they doing? Sitting around a
table?
MR. TONER: As far as atmospherics, I don’t have a sense of how the room is set up or how their actual meetings are
taking place. I’ll try to get a readout for you as they break and that readout becomes available. But right now, they
continue to meet.
QUESTION: And how about the composition of the U.S. delegation?
MR. TONER: I don’t have a breakdown. I can just say that it’s led by Bosworth, and it’s an interagency delegation. But
I’ll try to get more information. I’ve tried and I will try to get more information.
QUESTION: So how many people?
MR. TONER: I’ll try to get that number.
QUESTION: All right. And what are you expecting to hear? Are you expecting the North Koreans to come in with some kind
of like a PowerPoint presentation on why this time will be different, how – why they’re taking – why they’re serious
about this? Or are you presenting them with some kind of a list of things about --
MR. TONER: Well --
QUESTION: -- “This is what you can do to show that you’re serious?” What’s the --
MR. TONER: Again, I want to avoid any talk about lists. What we’re looking for, and what we said, is we’re looking for a
concrete indication that they’re going to move forward. And we’re not going to necessarily say what that might look
like, but what we have said is that they need to show that they’re willing to comply with their commitments under the
2005 joint statement.
QUESTION: Right. What you’ve said for --
MR. TONER: Absolutely.
QUESTION: -- ad nauseam --
MR. TONER: We have, and --
QUESTION: -- forever. It’s not words; it’s actions. So what actions do you expect Kim Kye Gwan to take? Do you want him
to get up and dance on the table? What are you – I mean, it seems to me that all he’s going to be able to offer is
words, so how is that --
MR. TONER: I’m not sure that would show their commitment to the joint statement.
QUESTION: Well, it’s an action. Because if words aren’t good enough – you want to see actions – what exactly --
MR. TONER: We do.
QUESTION: -- does he have to do?
MR. TONER: We --
QUESTION: What does he have to do at this meeting to show you that they’re serious?
MR. TONER: Well, again, we have characterized these talks as exploratory. There was the meeting in Bali between North
and South Korea. It was constructive. You know – well know; you were there. It was – and now we’ve embarked on these
exploratory discussions. We’re quite clear, broadly, what we’re looking at, which – or what we’re looking for, which is
for North Korea to live up to its commitments in the 2005 joint statement. That includes – and as well as its
international obligations. And it needs to take concrete steps towards denuclearization. I think it’s premature to say
what those steps are going to look like. I think we’ll let the meeting take place and then --
QUESTION: Right, fair enough, and I’ll drop it after this. But what exactly is Kim Kye Gwan – what exactly can he do at
this meeting to convince you that they’re serious, seeing as the only thing he really can do is offer more words? And
you’ve said in the past that words are not enough.
MR. TONER: Well, certainly, we recognize that words are not enough, that we need action. But this is a chance for us to
sound out the North Koreans and to – these are experienced diplomats going into this – these talks. They’ve been down
this road before, as you noted, and it’s a chance for us to gauge their seriousness.
QUESTION: What was it – for those of us who weren’t on the trip, what was it about Bali that made the U.S. decide to
move ahead with this phase?
MR. TONER: Well, we had – we talked in months previous that we wanted to see, as an initial step, North-South dialogue.
Bali constituted – the Bali meeting, rather, constituted a step in that direction. We felt it was then worthwhile to
pursue, as I said, these exploratory talks.
QUESTION: And there wasn’t anything that the U.S. said that North Korea needed to be ready to present for New York?
MR. TONER: Well, I think I’ve talked about what we’re looking for from them, without getting into specifics, which I
can’t do.
Go ahead. Jill and then in the back
QUESTION: Okay. Other subject?
MR. TONER: Do you want to finish up on North Korea? I think you probably –
QUESTION: When U.S. and North Korea meeting New York in today and tomorrow, will the United States raise on North Korean
human rights issues (inaudible)?
MR. TONER: Again, it’s – these talks are focused on North Korea’s commitments and living up to them, the joint statement
and its other international obligations, including relevant UN Security Council resolutions. I can’t preclude that human
rights, of course, will be on the agenda or discussed at some point. Again, these meetings are ongoing, so it’s hard to
predict what issues exactly will be raised, but it’s possible.
Yeah. In the back.
QUESTION: Yesterday North Korean UN ambassador said that the U.S. has no moral justification to lecture other countries
about proliferation. Any comment on that?
MR. TONER: This Administration, working with like-minded countries around the world, has made nonproliferation a
priority, and we’re going to continue to pursue that. No other comment beyond that.
Is this on North Korea?
QUESTION: Yeah.
MR. TONER: Sure. Go ahead. David and then Michel.
QUESTION: Okay. It’s being reported that when Ambassador King went to North Korea he basically was told that they’re not
ready to agree to the kind of on-the-ground monitoring of food aid to justify the United States resuming. Is that the
case?
MR. TONER: Again, we’ve made no decisions on food aid, and we continue to evaluate the findings of the teams that went
to North Korea. I don't want to comment on press reports, except to say that monitoring is an important element of –
important criteria to us providing food assistance to North Korea. Excuse me.
Go ahead, Michele.
QUESTION: My question was on the food aid as well, but just following up on human rights. Was the human rights envoy on
North Korea in this meeting today?
MR. TONER: I do not know. I’ll try to confirm that.
Sure. I’m sorry. Jill, actually.
QUESTION: Debt crisis, debt ceiling.
MR. TONER: Debt ceiling debate. Yes.
QUESTION: Well, it’s – I think it’s a crisis. It feels like one. We’ve got five – less than five days left before this
deadline. How is the State Department preparing for this? How could it – what comes on Tuesday, if the U.S. were to
default, what’s the planning here, in terms of your operations and staff? And also, how could this affect things that
the United States does around the world: programs, embassies, even loan guarantees for other countries?
MR. TONER: Well, as the Secretary discussed and made clear last week in her speech in Hong Kong, this debate, however
difficult, is a part of the democratic process here, and she expressed her confidence that Congress, as she said, will
do the right thing and secure a deal on the debt ceiling and work with this Administration and the President to take the
steps to – necessary to improve our long-term fiscal outlook. And that’s important to recognize. I mean, we’ve all seen
these kinds of debates. They’re very important. They’re done in a very transparent way, clearly, as in keeping with our
system. But in the end, most times we do reach a satisfactory consensus and conclusion, and I think we’re confident that
this is going to be yet another case of that.
In terms of contingency planning, I think Jay Carney and others have spoken to the fact that it’s really the Department
of Treasury, as this deadline does get closer, that’s looking at a lot of these issues. I’d have to refer you to them.
QUESTION: You mean where the money would come from or how much money would come --
MR. TONER: Again, I’m not an expert, financial expert, by any stretch of the imagination, but I think Treasury would
have the purview, if you will, of looking at how this might affect – if we get to that point – all operations, all
loans, but I’d refer you to them.
QUESTION: So no --
QUESTION: At this point --
QUESTION: Could I just --
MR. TONER: Sure.
QUESTION: So no instructions, even very broad instructions, have been given to the staff here that this could happen if
--
MR. TONER: Again, we are – we’ve been down this road on other fronts before on other issues, important issues, dealing
with fiscal matters. It’s really – in this particular case, it’s really the Treasury Department that does have the lead
in looking at the ramifications. But again, important to stress that this is an issue that’s still being worked
furiously in the halls of Congress, and we’re confident that they’ll reach a successful consensus.
Go ahead.
QUESTION: What about foreign aid?
MR. TONER: I’m sorry. I’ll – no. Go ahead, go ahead.
QUESTION: How about – how is foreign aid is impacted? In this case in particular, let’s say foreign aid to Israel and
the Palestinians. Does the State Department have a recommendation or a policy to cut or how much to cut or not to cut?
MR. TONER: Again, I think these are all issues that, as we do get closer, if it does look like that we are headed down
this path, we’ll look at all of these issues. But at this point, I don’t want to really discuss it.
QUESTION: What sort of information is State giving proactively to Treasury. I know that the Pentagon is doing this
already, particularly when it comes to contracts with outside vendors, the loan programs. What sort of information is
coming out of this building to help Treasury?
MR. TONER: To help Treasury?
QUESTION: Yeah.
MR. TONER: That’s a fair question, Rosalind. I’ll take it. I can’t give you a full answer right now.
QUESTION: Okay.
QUESTION: Libya?
MR. TONER: Libya, sure.
QUESTION: Yesterday, I listened to a – the Libyan ambassador or the former Libyan ambassador, and he’s saying that it’s
getting really very difficult for him to operate in Washington.
MR. TONER: Right.
QUESTION: He stated that he’s looking at a short period of time before the embassy is reopened. Do you have any idea
when the embassy, now that you recognize the Transitional Council as the legitimate representative of the Libyan people,
when are you likely to allow the reopening of the embassy?
MR. TONER: I don’t have a hard date. What I said yesterday is we – this is something that we’ve been discussing since
Istanbul with the TNC, with the Transitional National Council. Indeed, it’s part of a number of issues that have been
opened, if you will, upon recognition of them as the legitimate representation of Libya or recognition of them as the
legitimate representation of Libya. And we’re addressing these issues. We did receive a formal request from the TNC, and
we’re working hard and diligently to resolve these issues. But I can’t say tomorrow, next week; it’s impossible for me
to say.
QUESTION: Is it safe to assume that the embassy will be reopened before the General Assembly meeting in September?
MR. TONER: I don’t think I can promise that. I just would say that we are addressing – working to address some of the
outstanding legal issues. As we’ve seen in terms of unfreezing frozen assets, these are often difficult challenges to
overcome legally. But we’ve got to take those steps.
QUESTION: Is Turkey still the protecting power of U.S. in Libya?
MR. TONER: No. I believe it’s the Government of Hungary that’s the protecting power in Libya. Yeah.
QUESTION: What was the Secretary talking to Defense Minister Barak about this morning?
MR. TONER: She did meet with him this morning. I guess that meeting is over now. Well, he’s here on a Washington visit.
It’s always an opportunity to reiterate our unshakable commitment to Israel’s security and our support for Israel’s
military and maintaining Israel’s qualitative military edge. It’s also a chance to talk about security cooperation
between the U.S. and Israel, especially given the amount of change going on in the region. They’ll also discuss, I
imagine, larger regional issues given the extent of – the continuation of the Arab Spring and its impact on all
countries of the region.
QUESTION: So you don’t think that their conversation had anything to do with the peace process and lack thereof?
MR. TONER: I would imagine that the peace process was discussed.
QUESTION: Or –
MR. TONER: I just don’t know. I haven’t got –
QUESTION: -- strategy ahead of the Palestinians’ UN move?
MR. TONER: I would imagine that they discussed the peace process, but I don’t have a clear readout.
QUESTION: Is it – can you get – can you try to get one?
MR. TONER: I will try to get one.
QUESTION: A follow-up on that?
MR. TONER: Sure.
QUESTION: On Tuesday, there was a UN Security Council meeting, and the Palestinian observer Riyad Mansour argued that
actually going for full recognition at the UN is a multilateral action since 122 countries already recognize ’67 lines,
not a unilateral action as you usually describe it. Would you comment on that?
MR. TONER: Again, it is an action that is not going to get this issue – this longstanding conflict to resolution. The
only way to do that, to reach a comprehensive peace agreement is for the Palestinians and for the Israelis to sit down
and tackle the tough issues through negotiation Action at the UN doesn’t achieve that end.
QUESTION: Mark, there’s a group of seven Israeli former generals and statesmen that are going around town, they’re
speaking at the Woodrow Wilson Center, at Brookings, they’re making trips to Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco urging
the United States Government to push through with the President’s points that he made on May 19th for a state on the
basis of the 1967 borders. Are you meeting with them? Are you – are they –
MR. TONER: I will check. That’s a fair question. I’ll – I don’t know. I haven’t seen anything, but we’ll check and see
if we’re meeting with that group.
QUESTION: They also suggest that actually the Palestinians getting recognition of the United Nations might help the
peace process rather than stagnate it. Do you concur?
MR. TONER: I think I just stated our position.
QUESTION: Can we stay in the region for a second?
QUESTION: Stay in the same –
MR. TONER: Sure. And then I’ll go to you.
QUESTION: There was an announcement by the Israeli minister of housing and construction. Again, there is new housing
permits, about 336. Have you had the chance to raise with this issue whether with the Minister Barak meeting or with the
–
MR. TONER: I will – I can check on that. I’m not sure if we have raised it or not. Our position on new construction
settlements is pretty well known, but I’ll check.
Yeah. Go ahead, Matt.
QUESTION: Can you tell us what the meeting with – her meeting with the new Omar Suleiman is supposed to be about?
MR. TONER: You mean the Egyptian?
QUESTION: Yes.
MR. TONER: It’s just – it’s an opportunity for her to – again, that’s this afternoon, I believe.
QUESTION: To restate your unshakable commitment to Egypt –
MR. TONER: (Laughter.)
QUESTION: -- and talk about how you want to keep their military less powerful than the Israelis?
MR. TONER: We’ve missed you, Matt. (Laughter.) No, this is a chance, obviously, for her to talk about Egypt’s ongoing
democratic transition, as well as talk about regional issues. And that meeting, I think, is later today.
QUESTION: Does she expect to deliver the sense in the building that the U.S. is concerned about the military’s
reluctance to embrace US. democracy-building programs in Egypt?
MR. TONER: Look, the U.S. stands ready to support the Egyptian people. They’re undergoing a very difficult, challenging
democratic transition, but one clearly that’s full of hope and promise. And I think she will continue to offer that
support for the Egyptian people as they move towards elections, and we’re – again, we stand ready to help them as --
QUESTION: Yeah. But when you consider that some of the programs that the U.S. has been conducting have been not accepted
since the military took over in this interim role, it does raise some questions about whether or not the military is
fully committed to realizing the Egyptian people’s aspirations.
MR. TONER: And as I said, this is – and the military did play a very inspiring, inspirational role in the events in
Tahrir Square, showed professionalism and restraint. They are, in fact, leading this transition towards a democratic
change and elections. And it’s clearly important within that context that they continue to uphold the principles of –
that they upheld so clearly in Tahrir Square. Our position is that we offer – continue to offer our assistance as they –
both in terms of the Egyptian economy but also other facets of this transition.
QUESTION: And how does she plan to address the question of lack of foreign observers for the election in September?
MR. TONER: How does she plan to address that?
QUESTION: How does she plan to raise that with them since they have said, “We don’t want any outside observers”?
MR. TONER: I mean, ultimately, that’s a decision for the Egyptian people to make, but we believe in transparent
elections and --
QUESTION: But doesn’t that --
MR. TONER: -- the more transparency, the better. But I’m not going to preview what she may or may not say in this
meeting.
QUESTION: Does she think that the intel chief has a direct line to the military?
MR. TONER: Again, I think it’s important that – this is an important opportunity for her to stress broadly our feelings
about democratic change underway in Egypt.
QUESTION: But certainly you have a view how the Egyptian military has been managing this difficult process you are
talking about. Would you be able to share it with us?
MR. TONER: I think I just did. They were – they played a very powerful, inspirational role in Tahrir Square, showed
restraint, showed professionalism. Clearly, this is a difficult period. They need to maintain order, but also allow this
change – this transition to move forward. And they need to uphold the standards that they showed then.
Yeah. Go ahead, Jill.
QUESTION: Afghanistan?
MR. TONER: Afghanistan.
QUESTION: There are reports this morning that there were attacks by some militants on the – I think it was a governor’s
office in Uruzgan, and wondering if you have any comment about that because it follows the killing of the mayor in
Kandahar. And speaking of that, is there any clarification on whether it was the Taliban? I think that was one of the
questions --
MR. TONER: Yeah. I don’t have – I still don’t have confirmation. That’s often difficult, to obtain clear confirmation of
a Taliban responsibility in the attack. I mean, it bears all the hallmarks of a Taliban assassination, and certainly
they performed these kinds of heinous acts before, and they continue to target government leaders and innocent
civilians. But broadly, I don’t have any information and a confirmation of the attack in Uruzgan, I’ll look into it.
Again, it’s hard for us to say what this points to. I think I talked yesterday a little bit about that the military
surge has, in fact, had success in suppressing the Taliban. It’s unclear whether this is some kind of – they’re now
moving this kind of action. It only strengthens our resolve, and we believe it strengthens the resolve of the innocent
Afghan civilians and people who are subjected to this kind of terrorism.
QUESTION: Turkey?
MR. TONER: Turkey.
QUESTION: Russian envoy to NATO, Mr. Dimitry Rogozin, after meeting with senators here in Washington, next day he was in
Ankara and stated that open opposition against the radars, part of the missile system – not the missile system in
Turkey. Do you have any view of that? And second is, has Secretary Clinton raised this issue while she was in Turkey? We
have not heard.
MR. TONER: Well, I think she’s – she spoke broadly about our consultations with Turkey and other NATO members about this
phased adaptive approach --
QUESTION: Right.
MR. TONER: -- and missile defense system for Europe. In terms of Russia’s opposition to missile defense plans, we’ve
sought – long sought a cooperative relationship with Russia on missile defense. We continue to seek to cooperate with
them on missile defense. We’ve been clear for many years now that this is not focused on Russia. It’s not a threat to
them in any way. It’s based on our assessment of other threats in the region, and we seek a cooperative relationship.
QUESTION: What’s the respond of Turkish administration? It is under the consideration, thinking about it? Any plan?
MR. TONER: I’d just say it’s under – we’re talking to a number of countries in – within NATO about this radar system and
when it might be deployed --
QUESTION: Are you talking about the part –
MR. TONER: -- but I don’t want to get into the substance of those discussions.
QUESTION: -- the part that is going to deploy in Turkey, and I’m asking –
MR. TONER: I know what you’re asking, and I’m going to say I’m not going to get into the substance of our discussions.
QUESTION: Can you go back to money for a second?
MR. TONER: Money.
QUESTION: Yeah. Since the Secretary’s letter to the Hill the other day, or to the House Foreign – do you know if she’s
made any calls or had further communication with people on the Hill about the budget and the proposed cuts?
MR. TONER: I will – that’s a fair question. I’ll check. I don’t have that in front of me.
QUESTION: So that’s two debt questions now.
MR. TONER: No, he was talking about the budget.
QUESTION: That has nothing to do with it.
MR. TONER: He was talking about foreign appropriations.
QUESTION: Okay.
QUESTION: Mark, do you have details – there was a statement by the Treasury, I think, about the fundraising operation in
Iran for al-Qaida. What I have is –
MR. TONER: Fundraising --
QUESTION: Fundraising operation for al-Qaida, which was based in Iran. Did you see this?
MR. TONER: I’m sorry, Christophe. I’ll have to take that question. Are you asking if we have any comment or reaction to
it or --
QUESTION: Yeah. Well, yeah, any details.
MR. TONER: I’m – I’ll have to look into it.
QUESTION: Okay.
QUESTION: There’s a new Zogby poll out, and it shows that the U.S. Administration’s approval rating less than 10 percent
in the Middle East, which is basically worse than the previous administration. After two and a half years, how do you
view – why do you think that your approach and policies in Middle East –
MR. TONER: I haven’t seen the poll, so it’s difficult for me to comment on its findings. We have – this President, this
Administration, the Secretary of State have sought a cooperative relationship with the Middle East. And it is a region
clearly undergoing tremendous change, whether it be in Syria, in Egypt, and elsewhere – in Bahrain, other countries, and
the Secretary has spoken very clearly about the need for many of these governments to reform and to work with their
populations to offer them economic promise and political openness. And we’re going to continue to press those messages.
We think that those are the correct messages to send to the Middle East, regardless of poll numbers.
QUESTION: Right. There is not only one poll, actually. There is – there are other polls, like Gallup poll from a couple
weeks – a month ago. You obviously – your Administration has been pro-change and, as you describe it, supporting the
protesters. So certainly, there should be a reason. I think there is no disagreement about that Middle East has a
negative view on your approach. Going forward, do you have any plans to change any policies –
MR. TONER: No. As I said, we’re going to continue to stand for universal rights, as we have thus far in the Arab Spring,
and continue to work with these countries that have already, as we say, turned the corner and are on a path towards
democratic transition, because we believe it’s the right thing to do. It’s the right thing for them and it’s the right
thing for the world and for the region.
QUESTION: Mine is very brief. I don’t know if I missed it last – while I was gone last week, but did you guys ever rerun
the Diversity Visa lottery, and –
MR. TONER: We did.
QUESTION: Oh. There was –
MR. TONER: I think we did. We did.
QUESTION: And you screwed it up again?
MR. TONER: No, we didn’t – no. (Laughter.)
QUESTION: By your – judging by the look on your face.
MR. TONER: It was – no, no, I just was – I also have been out, so I’m not sure – I believe it was rerun, and
successfully.
QUESTION: Okay. So the results are out, or –
MR. TONER: Yes, they are.
QUESTION: They are out? Okay. All right.
MR. TONER: Thank you.
QUESTION: Thanks.
(The briefing was concluded at 1:17 p.m.)
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