State Dept. Daily Press Briefing October 12, 2005
Daily Press Briefing
Adam Ereli, Deputy Spokesman
Washington, DC
October 12, 2005
INDEX:
AZERBAIJAN
Asylum Case / Rasul Guliyev
Political Process in Azerbaijan
SYRIA
Death of Syrian Interior Minister Ghazi Kanaan
UK/NORTHERN IRELAND/NORTH KOREA
U.S. To Request Extradition of Sean Garland Regarding
Counterfeiting Case
MACEDONIA
Macedonia Name Issue
IRAQ
Zawahiri's Letter to Zarqawi on Terrorists' Cause
Iraqi Constitution and Referendum Update / Compromise
U.S. Ambassador Khalilzad's Support for Iraqi Efforts
CHINA
China's Second Manned Space Launch
ISRAEL/PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY
Kidnapping of American Citizen and British Citizen in Gaza
SUDAN
Violence in Darfur / Impact on Humanitarian Operations in Darfur
Appointment of Cameron Hume as US Charge in Khartoum
Travel of A/S Frazer and Special Representative Winter
GREECE
Reported Greek Protest Regarding Comments by U.S.
Representative
BALKANS
Under Secretary Burns' Travel to the Region
TRANSCRIPT:
12:45 p.m. EDT
MR. ERELI: Greetings, everybody. Afternoon, I think. Whatever.
Let's start with your questions since I don't have any announcements.
QUESTION: There is an Azerbaijani political asylum person who is returning from the United States to Baku on Monday and
is probably going to be arrested -- his name is Rasul Guliyev. Do you have any position on that?
MR. ERELI: Right. We've spoken to this earlier. Obviously, we've seen reports that Mr. Guliyev intends to return to
Azerbaijan. I'm not in a position to confirm those reports. Our understanding is that there are criminal charges against
Mr. Guliyev in Azerbaijan. I don't have any particular comments on the specific case. Obviously, we believe that any
legal case should be handled in full compliance with international standards for due process and transparency. We call
on the authorities in Azerbaijan to respect the rule of law and the rights of any individual who is under charge.
With regard to the political process in Azerbaijan, obviously both the government and opposition parties should
participate in an atmosphere of calm, of mutual respect, of dialogue, of adherence to established processes and
institutions, and we would expect an election that is reflective of the -- results that are reflective of the will of
the people.
Mr. Mackler.
QUESTION: Change of subject.
MR. ERELI: Unless there are more questions on that?
QUESTION: No. Okay. Do you have reaction to the suicide of the Syrian Interior Minister?
MR. ERELI: I don't have any particular reaction -- other than to note that this is obviously an issue that we're
following closely. I would leave it to the Government of Syria to comment on the facts behind the recent events. I would
note, obviously, that Mr. Kanan was a central figure in the Syrian Government's occupation of Lebanon for many years.
His role and that of other key officials in the Syrian leadership has come under increased scrutiny lately, in light of
recent events in Lebanon, in light of the Mehlis reports activities. We would call on the Syrian Government to end its
interference in Lebanese affairs and to cooperate fully with the investigation of Mr. Mehlis into the murder of former
Prime Minister of Lebanon, Rafik Hariri.
QUESTION: Does your counter -- does your juxtaposition of those two issues lead you to conclude that there is a
connection between the Mehlis investigation and this --
MR. ERELI: I'm not making any such conclusions. In fact, as I said at the beginning, we would look to the Syrian
Government to come forth with whatever their assessment is of the circumstances of Mr. Kanan's death.
QUESTION: But would it be an implication of -- to the actual report? Because it's going to be released in a few days
from now and he was one of the people that was investigated by Mr. Mehlis.
MR. ERELI: So the question is?
QUESTION: Will it be an implication to the final results of the investigation? Would his death have any implication on
--
MR. ERELI: Well, I don't know what -- we don't know what's in the report. We don't know what Mr. Mehlis' findings are
or what his conclusions, which have not yet been written, will be. So I wouldn't make, frankly, any connections between
this event and the Mehlis report and what the Mehlis report might say other than to note that Mr. Kanan was a central
figure in Syria's occupation of Lebanon for many years. And beyond that, we'll just have to wait to see what the report
says.
QUESTION: Two things to follow up on that. One is there any indication at all that it may have not been a suicide or
that anybody is looking at it?
MR. ERELI: Frankly, the extent of our knowledge is what we are reading in the press reports and the statements coming
out of Syria, so I couldn't really answer the question.
QUESTION: And the second thing is that apparently, there is some sort of note that he left. Are you seeking to get the
Syrian Government the full contents of --
MR. ERELI: We would expect that the facts that are out there would be communicated in a timely way. But again, this is
something the Syrian Government needs to deal with.
QUESTION: Do you have any information about the fact that -- sorry, about the fact that report said he is taking bribes
from Rafik Hariri?
MR. ERELI: Other than those reports, but I don't have any information to substantiate them or to refute them.
Sir.
QUESTION: It's a related issue and that is to the Embassy in Damascus. The Ambassador is still out there I believe. Is
that correct?
MR. ERELI: That is correct. And it is in the able hands of our Chargé.
QUESTION: Fine. And does the Chargé and his or her able colleagues meet with Syrian foreign ministry regularly?
MR. ERELI: Regularly. Yes.
QUESTION: So it's not a complete shut off, it's just --
MR. ERELI: No.
QUESTION: We don't have an Ambassador there.
MR. ERELI: Yes.
QUESTION: Just taking a question on that as well. You know that the Treasury has frozen his money.
MR. ERELI: Yes.
QUESTION: What will follow after that? What will happen in the -- after his death?
MR. ERELI: Regarding how the relevant laws apply in this case, I think I'd have to refer you to the Treasury
Department, which is sort of responsible for applying the regulations. I honestly don't know. It's a good question. It's
a technical one. I'll see if we have anything we can share with you on that, otherwise I'd refer you to the Treasury
Department.
QUESTION: Can I follow up on something you said you'd check on yesterday, and that is on this North Korean
counterfeiting case?
MR. ERELI: Right.
QUESTION: Did you get anything on that? There's now been an indictment.
MR. ERELI: I've got a little bit on it. First of all, regarding the individual in question who has been charged with
involvement in counterfeiting hundred dollar bills, we will be requesting his extradition from the United Kingdom. This
is a gentleman named Sean Garland.
For more specifics regarding the case and how we're going to prosecute it and actions we look to take, I'd refer you to
the Department of Justice since it is now a law enforcement matter. Obviously, as I said yesterday, we take the issue of
counterfeiting very seriously. There is, I think, a determined effort on behalf of the United States Government to work
with our partners around the world to prevent counterfeiting and particularly in cases where that counterfeiting is
going to regimes, to fund illicit activity.
QUESTION: Is this anything that has come up in, I don't know, in the sidelines of six-party talks or anything --
MR. ERELI: No, not that I'm aware of. It's a -- obviously, connected to countries like North Korea that do this, but
not a subject of discussion in six-party talks.
QUESTION: Do you think it will have any implications for the, I don't know, hopefully changing relationship between the
two countries, us and them?
MR. ERELI: Look, our -- the way forward with North Korea is -- there are a number of elements involved. Obviously,
their involvement in illicit activity is one, their human rights practices are another, their weapons programs is a
third, and they're all parts of a whole. And I would say that how our relations evolve with North Korea will be affected
by all three of -- by actions in all three areas.
Yes, sir.
QUESTION: On FYROM. The Associated Press dispatch: "Washington has expressed full support for the proposed UN
compromise negotiated by Nimetz." Do you deny or accept that since you told us a totally different story yesterday?
MR. ERELI: I said yesterday that we support the role of the UN and the efforts of the UN to find a compromise and a
mutually agreeable solution to this issue between Greece and Macedonia and I think that's fully consistent with what
you're saying. We don't endorse or reject a particular proposal. That is for the parties to deal with. What we are
supportive of is the process and the role of the UN in this issue.
QUESTION: But I was told yesterday that the Nimetz proposal was a U.S. and not a Kofi Annan product.
MR. ERELI: I don't know who told you that, but they're wrong.
QUESTION: No, it's a reliable source. I'm not --
MR. ERELI: Well, the source is wrong.
QUESTION: -- Judith Miller to disclose my source.
MR. ERELI: It's not a U.S. proposal; it's a UN proposal and it's a process and a role for the UN that we support.
QUESTION: But may I continue my question?
MR. ERELI: Mm-hmm.
QUESTION: Okay. And it's giving the impression that the UN is an extension of the Department of State.
MR. ERELI: That's a wrong impression.
QUESTION: Okay. It's not mine. Actually, I'm --
MR. ERELI: Then you should write that the State Department says that the UN is not an extension of the Department of
State.
QUESTION: Okay. Actually, I'm fully aware of the (inaudible) memo received by Nimetz, which is totally unacceptable,
Mr. Spokesman, in its context against the territorial integrity of Greece. Any comments since it is called UN/U.S.
proposal?
MR. ERELI: I can just tell you that I don't know who's calling it, but I can tell you it's not a U.S. proposal. It's a
UN proposal. How can I be more emphatic than it is a UN proposal? It is for the parties to discuss and debate and engage
with the UN, and that is a process that we support. And we support the UN in its important, independent, influential
role in helping to broker a compromise on this issue.
QUESTION: One more question on this issue. Joseph Stalin and Joseph Tito had followed the same policy, something which
provoked --
MR. ERELI: Sorry, I'm going just cut you off and --
QUESTION: Okay.
MR. ERELI: -- and if you're going to bring Stalin and Tito into this, we've gone too far afield.
QUESTION: No, no, no, it is very important. May I finish? Joseph Stalin and Joseph Tito had followed the same policy,
something which provoked extreme reaction by the then-Secretary of State, Edward Stettinius, who stated on December 26,
1944, "The Department of State" -- that's his writing -- "The Department of State has noted with considerable
apprehension increasing propaganda rumors and semi-official statements in favor of an autonomous Macedonia, emanating
from Bulgaria, but also from Yugoslav Partisan and other sources, with the implication that Greek territory would be
included in the projected state."
MR. ERELI: And your question is?
QUESTION: Let me finish.
MR. ERELI: No, no, I'm not going to let you finish. What's the question? You're taking up people's valuable time with a
reference to something written in 1945. I will tell you, and I will end this here because I don't want to just go on
forever on this. I told you what the U.S. policy is: We support the UN. If you want to bring in history from 50-plus
years ago, you're free to do so, but let's do it at a time when you're not imposing upon others. Thank you.
Yes.
QUESTION: I have a question on the UN. Do you have any comment on this former French Ambassador Merimee being indicted
in connection with Oil-for-Food?
MR. ERELI: I do not.
QUESTION: Okay.
MR. ERELI: Yes.
QUESTION: Yes, this is about the letter from Ayman al-Zawahiri to Abu Musab al- Zarqawi. It talks about that they feel
that they're launching a battle within the media. And I was wondering if you could talk about whether you think in this
letter that al-Qaida is kind of laying out their battle for hearts and minds of Muslims around the world with America.
MR. ERELI: Well, I think what the letter shows clearly is that -- it shows clearly the nature of the enemy we're
dealing with. And this isn't a question of hearts and minds; it's a question of bodies and gore, quite frankly, meaning
that this is a network and this is a confederacy of evil that will stop at nothing to advance its radical agenda. And
that agenda was made very clear. It's a caliphate that will start in Iraq and move to take over Saudi Arabia, Jordan and
Syria, and practice the kind of abuse and intolerance and perfidy that we saw under the Taliban in Iran -- I'm sorry,
under the Taliban in Afghanistan, which was in cahoots with these guys. So that's what we're facing.
Yes, they use media. Yes, they use communications. But I think the best advertisement for what these groups are about
is the writing in their own hand, which we've put forward in English and, I would note, in Arabic, so that those who
claim to be speaking -- that those who claim to be speaking in the name of Islam and representing Islam, can be seen by
Muslims to be the perverters of the religion that they are.
Yes.
QUESTION: Do you have any comments on the deal achieved yesterday in Iraq on the constitution?
MR. ERELI: The United States welcomes the agreement that was reached on the Iraqi constitution by the political parties
and leaders and people of Iraq. This is certainly a positive development. It shows, frankly, that the political process
in Iraq is working. Why? Because the political parties in Iraq, the Government of Iraq, and frankly the people of Iraq
were able to work through their differences by using dialogue and compromise to come up with a solution that all sides
find acceptable and that leads to broader and fuller participation in public life and in the decisions affecting the
citizens of that country. That's a good thing and I think it's a positive sign for what's -- a positive sign about
what's happening in Iraq and a positive indicator about the future of Iraq.
Now, obviously, the next step is to, on October 15th, to vote on -- for the Iraqis to vote in a referendum on the
constitution. Today's agreement signals that that vote will be broadly inclusive, or certainly we hope it will be
broadly inclusive, and that once it takes place Iraqis can have confidence that their views and their desires will be
reflected in the final outcome.
And then beyond October 15th we have a December 15th election for a new government, a new permanent government,
presuming the referendum passes, that will be charged with carrying forth on what the elected representatives of the
Iraqi people have decided today.
So what we're seeing is a political process that is working and that is producing dialogue and compromise over very
sensitive issues for all the communities in Iraq.
QUESTION: A follow-up on that?
MR. ERELI: Uh-huh.
QUESTION: To what extent was Ambassador Khalilzad involved in the last final moments before they reached the deal, and
to what extent was it his influence that brought it together?
MR. ERELI: Look, the United States is a friend of Iraq. The United States wants to help Iraqis develop a vibrant and
dynamic democracy. And we've been playing that role from the very beginning in helping work out the Transitional
Administrative Law, in helping support the elections, the initial elections in January, in terms of the work helping
Iraqis, supporting the Iraqis as they wrote their constitution, offering ideas as they were solicited, helping forge
compromises when there were differences and bridges that -- or gaps that needed to be bridged. And frankly, that's the
role we played in these latest developments. The Ambassador, I think, is a trusted and respected counsel to Iraqis from
across the political spectrum and he's been acting to support their efforts in that role.
Yes.
QUESTION: On China?
MR. ERELI: Okay.
QUESTION: The U.S. has tightly controlled any space technology exports to China and we know U.S. has no -- any
cooperation with China in this space area. I'm wondering if you have anything to say about China's successful lift-off,
this second manned spacecraft yesterday.
MR. ERELI: Well, obviously, China's space program is a Chinese program; it's not one that we've provided any assistance
to. We, obviously, congratulate China on the successful launch of its second manned space mission. And furthermore, we
would applaud China and its success as only the third country to launch people into space. I think our view is that the
peaceful use of space is something that is appropriate and, as I said, we welcome China's developments in this area. I
don't know that there's much more to say.
QUESTION: Change of subject. Do you have any details on the reported abduction of a British and an American journalist
in Gaza today?
MR. ERELI: The information I have for you is limited. First, I can confirm that there was an American kidnapped in Gaza
today. We don't have a Privacy Act waiver so there's not much I can share with you in the way of information about the
person's identity. Our staff from our Consulate General in Jerusalem and our Embassy in Tel Aviv are working in response
to this kidnapping. Specifically, we have been in touch with senior levels of the Palestinian Authority who are working
to resolve it. They're on the case. They believe that they have a handle on it. And we look to them to resolve it to
everyone's satisfaction.
QUESTION: What does that mean?
MR. ERELI: What's it mean? It means that --
QUESTION: They believe they have handle on it. They think they know who did it? They think they know who's responsible?
MR. ERELI: Yeah, that they have leads that they believe are productive.
QUESTION: Do you --
MR. ERELI: There's been no claim of responsibility and so our understanding is that the Palestinian Authority is
working with -- through their organizations, through their services to both identify those responsible and intervene to
obtain the release of the people captured.
QUESTION: So, Adam, just to be clear, you're leaving this -- I mean, you're in touch with the Palestinians and you're
in touch with the family -- but are you leaving the investigation and securing the release of this American to the
Palestinians? Or are you also trying to secure the release on your own?
MR. ERELI: I think the way to put it is, we are working closely with all competent authorities to affect the release of
the kidnapped American.
Yeah.
QUESTION: One more question. The United Nations reports today that up to two-thirds of the area in Western Darfur is
now so violent that they can't even get aid in anymore, so it seems that things are definitely getting worse there. And,
of course, there was the incident earlier with the detentions of AU and an American. Do you have anything -- anything to
say about that? And is the United States, you know, making any contact with the Sudanese Government to say they need get
on the ball here?
MR. ERELI: I hadn't seen those comments, quite frankly. I'm not -- relief -- the information available to us is that
relief and humanitarian operations in Darfur continue. Obviously, I think, we're all very alert to and sensitive to any
developments that have an impact on the humanitarian situation there because obviously that is -- those are the people
that suffer first and foremost. So it is a situation that we follow very carefully and that we act to address should
there be actions or developments that impact the fate of the internally displaced people there or the vulnerable
populations. But as far as I am aware, the food situation is still okay. There is, obviously -- there have been attacks
against IDP camps in the last two weeks, those were -- those stopped but the situation, as I said before, is inherently
unstable.
QUESTION: But there are reports today those haven't stopped and there are new attacks on refugee camps.
MR. ERELI: I have not seen those reports. Obviously, when we do get reports like that, our first action is to try to
contact the AU, try to confirm them, find out what the facts are, but I had not seen those -- the latest reports.
Again, you know, any one day -- let me put it this way -- any one day there may be incidents of violence and that is
something that we consistently work to contain in a number of ways, which I've outlined for you extensively in previous
briefings, both through supporting the AU, intervening with the Government of Sudan, intervening with the rebels in
Abuja and in other capitals.
I would tell you this -- that we have made it clear to the Government of Sudan in Khartoum -- we've made it clear to
the rebel leadership in both Darfur and in Abuja that these acts of violence are: 1) contrary to pledges they've made
before, specifically in the ceasefire agreements and in subsequent discussions with their officials; 2) that they are
unacceptable to us and that they have to stop; 3) that we will act in coordination with the AU and our international
partners to ensure security to the extent that we can in the areas where there are vulnerable populations. And number
three, that we will continue to press -- I'm sorry, I don't what number, maybe four -- 4) that we will continue to press
forward in both Abuja and with the Government of National Unity and the implementation of the Comprehensive Peace
Agreement so that the contributing factors to the unrest and to the violence that we see are addressed effectively.
On that score, I do have something new to tell you today and that is that we are appointing Ambassador Cameron Hume as
our Chargé at the Embassy in Khartoum. Ambassador Hume will be leaving for Khartoum shortly. He is one of our most
senior and distinguished diplomats, having served as Ambassador to Algeria and South Africa. And I think his appointment
reflects the high priority that we place on implementing the CPA and resolving the crisis in Darfur. I stand corrected
-- he leaves for Khartoum today.
Also, I think I mentioned this to you yesterday, but I have a couple more details to provide for you on the travel of
Assistant Secretary Frazer and the Deputy Secretary's Special Representative Roger Winter. Assistant Secretary Frazer is
currently in Liberia and she will be in Sudan October 20th and 23rd. Special Representative Winter will be going to
Nairobi and then South Sudan to do follow-up on the CPA implementation and then he will be meeting with senior
representatives of the Sudanese People's Liberation Movement and other key actors to push for progress in resolving the
Darfur crisis and implementing the CPA throughout Sudan.
So the point here is that, yes, we see incidents of violence; yes, we are aware of what some of the push factors behind
them; and we are addressing this issue in a variety of ways and, most immediately today, by sending out a new Chargé and
our senior officials to work the issue.
QUESTION: But, Adam, it could also be seen as an upgrade in diplomatic relations because our government --
MR. ERELI: I wouldn't -- no, it's not an upgrade. We had a Chargé before and we have a Chargé now, so I don't see how
you can conclude from that there's any upgrade in relations.
QUESTION: When did the last Chargé leave?
MR. ERELI: The last Chargé left a couple weeks ago.
QUESTION: Okay. With these visits, though, it could be seen that you are not necessarily going to put the squeeze on
them but --
MR. ERELI: It depends on what the message is, doesn't it?
QUESTION: It does --
MR. ERELI: And the message is a tough one, which is respect your agreements, follow through on what you said you would
do and compromise on the fundamental issues, as you have done in the past.
QUESTION: Or else what though? I mean, where does the government and the rebels see the consequences of not
implementing what you're asking them to do? I mean, we went over this yesterday, but you've been saying this for a very
long time and obviously they seem -- they're acting with impunity.
MR. ERELI: Well, first of all I'd say they're not acting with impunity, that there are obviously things the Government
of Sudan wants that they're not going to get if they continue to do this; 2) that there are additional measures that
could be taken, depending on the circumstances, depending on events on the ground; 3) you have an ongoing situation of
conflict in Darfur between rebels and militias that are supported by the government, that this is a conflict that has
gone on for too long in which it is an incumbent on all sides to take actions and which a process has been developed for
addressing those fundamental issues. That is the Abuja process and it has produced results, limited though they are and
incomplete though they are, that process continues to move forward. So I think what you -- the way you look at it is,
there is a cost to be paid in both opportunities and benefits lost; and there is, as we look at events over the course
of time, a cost that can come based on the assessment and conclusions of the international community.
QUESTION: Can you just check on if you guys have anything more to say on the fact that there have been new attacks on
--
MR. ERELI: Yeah.
QUESTION: Some of the UN people can't leave their locations to --
MR. ERELI: Yeah. I'll check and see.
QUESTION: Okay. Thank you.
QUESTION: I'm just -- historically, when was the last time we had ambassadorial-level representation in Khartoum? Was
that, like, 20 years ago?
MR. ERELI: It was a while ago. I can check the archives and get back to you. I want to -- I've got a date in my mind --
but it was several years, but I'll check and see.
QUESTION: Mr. Ereli --
MR. ERELI: One more question if it's a short one.
QUESTION: What was your response to the Greek protest for the statement delivered by your representative to the OSCE
Felice Gaer on September 28th about the existence of non-existent ethnic minorities in Greece?
MR. ERELI: I'll see if I've got something on that for you.
QUESTION: Any readout about Under Secretary Nicholas Burns' visit in the Balkans?
MR. ERELI: No.
Thank you.
(The briefing was concluded 1:17 p.m.)
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