Daily Press Briefing for January 12 -- Transcript
Daily Press Briefing
Richard Boucher, Spokesman
Washington, DC
January 12, 2005
INDEX:
IRAQ
Iraq Survey Group / Duelfer Report / Addendum to October 2004
Report on Weapons of Mass Destruction
Security for Iraqi Elections / Process and Procedures for Elections
Foreign Observers for the Elections
Reported Paying of Journalists by Iyad Allawi to Cover Political Events
SYRIA/RUSSIA
Syrian President Assad's Upcoming Visit to Russia
Reported Russian Sale of Missile Technology to Syria
RUSSIA
Secretary Powell's Meeting with Russian Defense Minister Ivanov
UKRAINE
U.S. Representation at Future Inauguration
ASIA/DEPARTMENT
Status of American Citizens Affected by Tsunami / Number of
Welfare and Whereabouts Inquiries
18 American Citizens Confirmed Dead / 17 American Citizens Presumed Dead
Reported Indonesian Government Restrictions on Movements of
Relief Operations
Children Orphaned by Tsunami / Trafficking in Persons /UNICEF Camps
CHINA/EU
Jack Straw's Comments on EU's Potential Lifting of ArmsEmbargo Against China
KUWAIT
Reported Kuwaiti Security Forces Action Against Al-Qaida Activists
TRANSCRIPT:
12:50 p.m. EST
MR. BOUCHER: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I don't any statements or announcements. I'd be glad to take your
questions.
QUESTION: Would you kindly run through what you have to elaborate on what the White House has said about the search for
remaining weapons in Iraq? Apparently, the Administration is also citing accomplishments on uranium, et cetera. It's
about over, the White House says, although you're --
MR. BOUCHER: Yeah, what the White House has said, what we're prepared to say, is that the team that was out there is
wrapping up their report. They're working on an addendum to the report they put out last October. The addendum won't
change substantially the conclusions they reached in the interim report. And we commented, I think, extensively at the
time to make clear that we felt the reporting indicated an intent on the part of Saddam Hussein's part to acquire
weapons of mass destruction, and a desire and intent to maintain the capability to do that. So that's essentially, I
think, where their bottom line is. We'll see what further information there is in the addendum, but they've said that
their addendum won't change the fundamental conclusions.
As they wrap up their report, there will be a small number, a handful, of members of the Iraqi Survey Team who will be
left in Iraq to follow up on any further information or reports we get about the weapons of mass destruction programs
that Saddam had.
QUESTION: Could you give us any report on what -- maybe we'll wait for the report, but any progress that may have been
made on uranium enrichment and on -- oh, there's something else that suddenly slips my mind.
MR. BOUCHER: I don't have anything particular on that.
QUESTION: Oh, on the --
MR. BOUCHER: We have -- on employment -- we have in the process of this reporting period and looking at it, we have, as
you know, removed low enriched uranium and other radioactive sources, helped secure materials that were known to be in
Iraq and offered -- and as part of the sort of securing any sensitive materials that we could.
There is a program that we have been operating to try to offer employment to individuals with information on these
programs of weapons of mass destruction. It's a program that's offered civilian employment. It's been operating for the
last year. It's had the, I'd say, enthusiastic participation of a number of Iraqi scientists and has engaged about 120
scientists in various activities, paying them stipends for their participation, providing opportunities for them to
reestablish contact with peers and colleagues in the United States and get -- work into -- work into other fields of
science rather than weapons of mass destruction.
QUESTION: Are they coming here?
QUESTION: Is that the DOS program?
MR. BOUCHER: That's a Department of State program, yeah.
QUESTION: Okay.
QUESTION: Are they coming here, you say?
MR. BOUCHER: Not necessarily. I think, you know, regular scientific exchanges; Iraqi scientists would have contact with
their peers and counterparts in the United States, but the stipend that we pay them is paid for work that they do in
Iraq as they help plan programs of --
QUESTION: Okay.
MR. BOUCHER: -- new scientific research in other fields.
Yeah, sir.
QUESTION: Can I follow up on Iraq? The Secretary, in his interview with NPR, talked about the Iraqi elections and he
said that even in the provinces which are not considered to be stable that the Iraqis should still go out and vote. Can
you explain why somebody would want to go out and vote in an area where they might be killed?
MR. BOUCHER: Well, I think there are a lot of things to look at here. I think the first thing to remember is that
Iraqis want to go out and vote. Look at the polls done in Iraq. I think the IRI had a poll done in late November that
showed that 70-some percent of the Iraqis wanted the elections and wanted to be able to participate in the elections.
Now, there is a campaign of violence and intimidation that's trying to prevent them from having that right and that
opportunity, but many of them, even in parts of countries that are somewhat dangerous, we hope, will try to take
advantage of the opportunities.
The Iraqi Government, meanwhile, the Iraqi Independent Election Commission of Iraq and the Iraqi Interim Government,
are taking steps to try to provide that opportunity to the citizens of Iraq and they're moving forward in flexible
fashion to offer the ability of citizens to vote, and, furthermore, to establish more security in areas where citizens
do want to vote. So they are taking steps and the coalition forces are supporting them in doing that.
There has been a great deal of effort put into this. The Iraqi Government has carried out outreach efforts and meetings
with various members of the Sunni community as well as others throughout Iraq to try to encourage voting. We've seen the
neighbors' conferences in Sharm el-Sheikh and then yesterday in Cairo try to encourage maximum participation. We've seen
the Gulf Cooperation Council issue statements to encourage maximum participation, especially by the Sunni community.
Jordan has held meetings with neighbors. So there's been, I think, a lot of effort put into it by the international
community, a lot of effort put into it by the Iraqi Government, a lot of effort put into it by the coalition forces to
make this opportunity available to all the citizens of Iraq.
We recognize that there are still those trying to intimidate voters and make it difficult to vote. Nonetheless, there
are some 6,000 polling places being established in Iraq. There are some 14 million voters on the list. And we think they
should have this opportunity.
QUESTION: Richard --
MR. BOUCHER: Let me add maybe one more thing to that. And that's to say, let's remember that having this election and
affording that opportunity to so many people inside Iraq and so many parts of Iraq that will vote smoothly and
peacefully, as well as those where voters might be running some risk, is, in itself, a major achievement. And that's a
major step forward along the timeline that was planned for the Iraqis to take on more and more authority, more and more
responsibility for their future. This leads to a Transitional Assembly that will write an Iraqi constitution, and then
there'll be another election towards the end of the year.
So there will be many opportunities along the way for the Sunni community to express itself, either through voting or
through other participation in the political process, and our goal is to try to make sure that all those opportunities
are available to all the citizens of Iraq.
QUESTION: May I follow up?
MR. BOUCHER: Yeah.
QUESTION: Of those 6,000 polling places, how many of those venues will have U.S. troops present?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know that there are plans in that direction. That's a question you'd have to ask the coalition
forces. I think a great deal of the security for the elections is being provided by the Iraqi forces.
Said.
QUESTION: Richard, could we go back to the decision to end the hunt for weapons of mass destruction?
QUESTION: Can we just finish on elections first?
QUESTION: Well, this is an earlier one. Go ahead.
QUESTION: Right, I understand.
MR. BOUCHER: I don't care.
QUESTION: Well, because there are some things, you know, that need to go back.
MR. BOUCHER: Go ahead.
QUESTION: Well, the White House was a bit reluctant to end the search because, you know, the likelihood of finding
something in the future or evidence that they may have migrated elsewhere, gone to another country. Does that mean that
the end means that there is no evidence whatsoever or no more suggestion or, you know, whatever it is, say, that they
may have something else there?
MR. BOUCHER: On what basis do you stipulate the White House is reluctant to end the search?
QUESTION: Well, I mean, that's what --
MR. BOUCHER: On the fact that Scott McClellan this morning used the exact same language that I'm using now, because I
just copied what he said and now I'm reading it to you? (Laughter.)
No, the White House has, I think, dealt with this issue extensively and has made clear that there were a lot -- there
was a lot of information in the interim report about the intent and the capability. There was also information showing
that, the best of our knowledge, there were no stockpiles, despite what people knew and came to believe at the time,
based on extensive intelligence.
But I don't think anybody has been reluctant to conclude this. We have been looking for this group to do a careful and
thorough job and to conclude at whatever time they felt was appropriate. They put out an interim report in
September/October and now they're doing an addendum to finish up the reporting. But there will still be an Iraq Survey
Group to follow up on any leads that might come along or further information that might come along.
QUESTION: So now the notion that it may have gone elsewhere, is it being abandoned or is it being pursued or is it
actively pursued? How would you characterize it?
MR. BOUCHER: I would leave it to the Iraq Survey Group to see if they've gotten more information on that. I don't know
if that will be part of their addendum or not, but we'll have to see when they finish their work whether they address
that issue any more.
QUESTION: Was that the American group?
MR. BOUCHER: Yeah, yeah, Charlie Duelfer and his team. Yeah, Iraq Survey Group. Yeah.
Adi -- or Teri.
QUESTION: Are you doing elections?
QUESTION: I am, but you --
QUESTION: Oh, thank you, Adi. That's very polite.
MR. BOUCHER: That's very graceful.
QUESTION: There were reports out of Baghdad that Iyad Allawi's electoral group, after a press conference, handed out
$100 bills, or $100 in cash, in some form, to reporters in an apparent attempt to make them more amenable to covering
their press conferences and their political -- their political actions. Is this something you're aware of? And if so,
does it lead --
MR. BOUCHER: Frankly, I don't know the facts of the matter. You'd have to check with folks out in Baghdad on that.
QUESTION: You haven't even heard that this happened.
MR. BOUCHER: I think I saw a press report. I don't know the facts of what exactly --
QUESTION: Would it be something --
MR. BOUCHER: -- occurred or didn't occur.
QUESTION: Wouldn't the State Department, with all its training on free media and a free press, be concerned about
reports like this?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know the facts of the matter. I don't know who did it, what happened, or anything like that, so
I'm not going to start expressing concern about something I don't know exactly what occurred.
QUESTION: All right.
MR. BOUCHER: Adi.
QUESTION: In reference to foreign observers and the UN, in terms of its presence in Iraq, can you give us an update on
how many UN election experts are in Iraq? I know you can't talk specific numbers because of security reasons, but do you
expect that number to increase in the next 18 or so days?
MR. BOUCHER: I think that's a question for the United Nations to answer. I do know -- I think you've all seen the
reporting -- the UN has been an important part of this, had said that the -- in their view, that the Iraqi Election
Commission is ready to conduct the election and to conduct the election on time, and that they have supported this
process with advice and expertise, they have supported the process with ideas about how to encourage maximum
participation throughout Iraq, including in the Sunni areas. But exactly how many people they will have, I don't know.
Let's remember that, fundamentally, they are not running the election. The Iraqi Election Commission is running the
election. They are the ones that have been establishing polling places, finding poll monitors and all that sort of
thing. So I don't know if they have any plans to put more people on the ground on the day of the election or not.
QUESTION: And in reference to foreign observers at the different polling locations on election day, do you know how
many are going to -- I know there was a conference in Ottawa not too long ago on this subject. Do you know how many
American officials are going out there to participate in such a --
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know, as far as how many Americans might be going out. I'll check and see if we have any
information, or maybe it's a little too early to try to give you a total count.
Yeah, Nadia.
QUESTION: Richard, Mr. Abdul Aziz Hakim -- he is the head of the Islamic Supreme Council -- has said that in his
election, one of the candidates in the election, said that he will clean up the intelligence services and the security
services of the ex-Saddam Baathists, who are keep on torturing Shiites, according to what he said. Do you -- first of
all, your reaction to that? And second, do you really believe that now that we have ex-Baathist colonels, whatever they
are, generals, within the Saddam regime that are inside the security service?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't want to get involved in Iraqi politics and try to comment on statements that are made by various
candidates. So I'm afraid I just -- I can't get into that. I would say that the U.S. policy against torture is very
clear and very firm, and that where we have found cases of abuse, allegations of abuse, we have followed up and we have
tried to not only correct the abuses, but prosecute those who might be responsible.
QUESTION: But are you satisfied with the current security arrangement within the intelligence community in Iraq?
MR. BOUCHER: I'll leave it at what I said.
Peter.
QUESTION: Changing topics, unless people aren't ready.
MR. BOUCHER: Yeah.
QUESTION: Okay. Syrian President Assad is due to visit Russia later this reports and there's reports out now that
Russia's getting ready to sell one of their more sophisticated missiles -- I think the SS-26 -- which could hit any
target in Israel. How would the U.S. react to such a a sale? And does the Secretary have any intention to raise that
with the Russian Defense Minister, who is present today?
MR. BOUCHER: We'll have to see if it comes up. I don't want to, at this point -- the meeting's an hour away. I don't
want to start listing topics. We'll see how it comes up.
I guess I would just say, you know, we've seen reports of the sale. U.S. policy on this is very clear: We're against
the sale of weaponry to Syria, against the sale of lethal military equipment to Syria, which is a state sponsor of
terrorism. We think those kinds of sales are not appropriate. The Russians know about this policy. They know about our
views.
QUESTION: Just a follow-up.
MR. BOUCHER: Yeah.
QUESTION: What sort of action could you envision if the Russians go ahead anyway?
MR. BOUCHER: Well, there are potential sanctions, under U.S. law, but that would have to be looked at if and when such
a sale should occur. So, at this point, I think I'll just state what the policy is, what the law is. As you said, this
is now speculation about something that may or may not occur. Let's see what does, in fact, happen and then we'll apply
the law accordingly.
QUESTION: Well, you said you were against the sale, but you said you have to wait till it comes up. Do you intend to
raise it with the Defense Minister?
MR. BOUCHER: I would say that we are -- we have a very clear policy on this. The Russians are quite aware of what our
policy is. Whether it comes up this afternoon or not, the Russians know what our policy is on this and they know what
our law is on it.
QUESTION: Can I ask you that old question about Ukraine and whether the Secretary will have time remaining to attend
the new installation? The process of appealing, apparently, has not run out yet. Does this pretty much keep him from
attending?
MR. BOUCHER: I don't know.
QUESTION: Okay.
MR. BOUCHER: Simple answer. I don't know what's going to happen in Ukraine, when they're going to schedule things. Once
they do, you can ask us who's going to go.
QUESTION: And he can go as a private citizen.
MR. BOUCHER: We'll send the appropriate person at the appropriate time, I can promise you that.
QUESTION: But apart from that, considering his interest in the subject, I mean, Jimmy Carter still makes trips, I mean,
places.
MR. BOUCHER: Barry, I'm not going to speculate. I promise we'll send the appropriate person at the appropriate time.
But, at this point, we're looking to see what happens in Ukraine, and whatever they decide, we'll decide accordingly.
Teri.
QUESTION: Can we go to tsunami update time? Anything new on casualties, obviously? And also, since the White House
says, we, the Administration -- they, the Administration -- are looking into what Indonesia means with its apparent
request for a pullout of military forces, I would presume the State Department is doing some of the communication.
MR. BOUCHER: Yeah. We're in touch with the Indonesians on that question of military forces and where they can operate
in Aceh. I would make clear, first of all, U.S. military forces are in the area providing relief to Indonesian citizens,
and that this process has been worked very closely with the Indonesian Government. As you know, when the Secretary was
in Aceh, we met with Alwi Shihab, the minister who is in charge of the effort there, as well as the commander on the
ground, and the United States and Indonesia have worked very closely together to try to get relief to the people who
need it.
I think it's -- we have been in touch with the Indonesians. We'll continue to follow up on these reports that there
might be some restriction. But, at this point, there are not any restrictions on our military assistance, on USAID
workers, or on our international partners. We're in touch with the Indonesian Government, seeking more information about
their policy towards access to various parts of Aceh, but, to date, there's been no such restriction.
QUESTION: And no --
MR. BOUCHER: And our commitment, and what we're doing with the Indonesian military and the Indonesian aid officials, is
to get the relief supplies to the people who need it, where they need it. And I think you see many, many examples of
that being done through the reporting coming out of Aceh.
QUESTION: So no restrictions now and no notification that that would be changing, as far as you're aware?
MR. BOUCHER: That's right. That's right. But we're inquiring on the subject anyway.
QUESTION: Okay, and can you talk about the lists?
MR. BOUCHER: Yeah, as far asAmerican casualties, those who are known and presumed dead, the numbers remain the same at
18 American citizens who have been confirmed dead, 17 American citizens who we now presume are dead, based on what we
know about the circumstances of where they were when the tsunami hit.
We continue to work with family members and our officials in Thailand and Sri Lanka to provide all the available
assistance to family members for those who are either dead or presumed dead. We have continued to collect information
and work to lower the number of unknown cases, people whose whereabouts we don't know. Of 30,000 calls that we had
received over time, we now have 472 whereabouts inquiries that remain. And so we will continue to work on those to try
to identify where those individuals might be.
Okay, Peter.
QUESTION: Just to follow up on the Indonesia question there. As you know, the Secretary or the United States did make a
gesture to ease the embargo on the spare parts. The Secretary did say that it was a matter of humanitarian concerns
trumping the reservations of the political. Is there at any point that you will be telling the Indonesians, though, that
their abuses or their using this relief operation for political purposes there will have a negative effect on that? Have
you, or do you plan to --
MR. BOUCHER: I'm -- I don't -- you sound like we're supposed to start throwing out accusations. I'm not aware the
Indonesians have done that.
QUESTION: Mm-hmm.
MR. BOUCHER: Our view is that they do need these C-130s to provide relief and that that's what they want them for,
that's what they need them for. And we're going to try to help them put them into service for that.
QUESTION: Well, I'm talking specifically about these restrictions on the movements within Aceh. Is that --
MR. BOUCHER: Which don't exist.
QUESTION: You don't know yet.
MR. BOUCHER: As far as we know at this point, which don't exist. So you want me to reprimand them for something that I
just said doesn't exist?
QUESTION: No, sir, I don't.
MR. BOUCHER: Okay. I don't think I'll do that. Thanks for the opportunity, though.
Said.
QUESTION: Yes, sir. Today, UNICEF said that in Sri Lanka they're establishing camps for children, orphaned children, to
guard against their forced labor or slavery or prostitution. I know you addressed this issue before, but is there
anything specific that is targeted to that effort that the Department of State or the United States is doing and not
part of a larger aid?
MR. BOUCHER: Well, first of all, the United States provides a lot of support to UNICEF and we work closely with them on
these matters involving potential for trafficking to occur in these situations. Second of all, we have an Office on
Trafficking in Persons that's very much involved, and I'd have to check with the AID people to see what specific money
they might have spent on this particular effort.
Okay, Christophe.
QUESTION: Another from here?
MR. BOUCHER: Yeah.
QUESTION: The British Foreign Minister, Jack Straw, today said that he expected the European arms embargo on China to
be lifted by next July. Do you have anything, any comment on --
MR. BOUCHER: I don't have anything further at this point. I think we've stated our policy quite clearly. We've kept in
close touch with the European Union on this matter and don't have any change at this moment.
QUESTION: Are you considering any, I don't know, sanctions or measures to try to --
MR. BOUCHER: I don't want to speculate at this moment. We have a clear policy on this. We continue to keep in touch and
work with the European Union as they consider what their policies should be.
The Secretary addressed this quite clearly when we were in the Netherlands for the last U.S.-EU meetings.
Yeah. Nadia.
QUESTION: There have been reports coming from Kuwait in the last few days talking about the security forces being
engaged with the al-Qaida activists. Are you worried that what was seen in Saudi Arabia might spill over the border to
Kuwait, as well?
MR. BOUCHER: I think what we've seen in both places is an effort to root out the dangers, root out the potential
dangers of people who might want to attack the government or the establishment or U.S. forces there. And that's -- part
of an effort going on in Kuwait right now is some information they apparently discovered. But as far as details on it,
you'd have to check with the Kuwaiti authorities.
QUESTION: But, I mean, does it worry you because it is controversial and Kuwait has denied that there were al-Qaida
activists and they said that wasn't the case, but now it seems it is the case?
MR. BOUCHER: I think I'll leave it to the Kuwaiti authorities to explain what's going on with that particular case.
QUESTION: Thank you.
MR. BOUCHER: Thank you.
(The briefing was concluded at 1:15 p.m.)
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