Powell Interview by European Editors
Secretary Colin L. Powell Brussels, Belgium April 3, 2003
SECRETARY POWELL: Let s get right to the questions. Who would like to start?
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, we just listened to your statement a very optimistic statement about your conversations with
your European colleagues, but a lot of people in Europe feel uneasy with the plans of the American administration
vis-à-vis the interim government. How do you think it s possible to address these concerns? And how do you think its
possible to put again the United Nations as the center of the process, as all your European colleagues certainly have
told you they want as a precondition to participating in the rebuilding of Iraq?
SECRETARY POWELL: We understand that the United Nations has to be involved. The President has been saying this all
along, and the reason I came here today was to hear their views as to what they think the role of the United Nations
should be. The United Nations has said clearly they do not want to be in charge of Iraq. Kofi Annan has said that
clearly. So there is no competition for who is in charge, or responsible for Iraq.
We re trying to make sure that we structure a role for the United Nations that is appropriate and proper, that deals
with the provision of humanitarian aid, that endorses an interim authority when it is created, so that this interim
authority is seen, internationally, as having an endorsement and legitimacy from the United Nations. And we will be
working with our coalition partners and our friends in the Security Council to prepare the necessary UN resolutions that
would do all of these things.
How we actually create an interim authority is something that we are working on now. I can t get into specifics, but we
want to get it started with people who have been outside and have been part of the external opposition who have worked
so hard to get rid of this despotic regime. But we also know that it has to include people inside so that it is seen as
representative and not something that is simply being imposed. Whether a conference is the appropriate way to do that,
such as was done with Afghanistan, these are the kinds of issues we re looking at and discussing with our coalition
partners.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, I represent a German paper, the government of which was part of the Axis of Obstructionism or
no-sayers. How serious is the rift? And will historians say at some point we have seen the disintegration of the old
political institution called the West over this issue, and that the conclusion of this process which started with the
fall of The Wall?
SECRETARY POWELL: No. I was there when there was a Wall as a soldier. I was there as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
of Staff when it cracked. I was there when it fell down. And I don t know how many conversations I have been in about
the end of NATO the end of the transatlantic Alliance. In my conversations with my Russian general friends back when the
Soviet Union was ending, they would say, Well, look. We re giving up the Warsaw Pact. Why don t you give up NATO? Isn t
that a fair trade? We re dissolving. We just had a meeting and we dissolved the Warsaw Pact, why don t you guys go to
Brussels and dissolve NATO?
And I had a very simple answer to them. It s hard. People keep wanting to join. You want to know what happened to all
the guys that used to be in the Warsaw Pact that you dissolved? They re all standing in front of my counter saying,
Please give me an application form. Why? Because they want to be part of a security alliance that links Europe to the
North American continent, that links Europe to the United States and to Canada. Why? Because they still feel a need for
that strong transatlantic relationship between the United States and Europe. It has not gone away because we have had a
fight over Iraq. That is an enduring reality the need for a strong link between the North American continent, Canada,
the United States, Iceland and Europe. And that will be there for as long as I m around. I m not worried about that.
Germany and the United States have been the closest of friends and partners since the end of the war. We were there in
1945, after the defeat of Hitler to help Germany rebuild, to help Italy rebuild, to help Japan rebuild, to help so much
of Europe rebuild. And we forged, in that postwar period, into a strong Alliance and strong bilateral partnerships.
I started my career in Germany, and I ended my operational career as a soldier commanding a corps in Germany. We are
doing so many things together -- in Afghanistan, in the Balkans. We have watched as Germany has taken on additional
responsibilities, went to the Bundestag and said we need to be a part of a broader alliance or broader coalition doing
more things in the world. We are very appreciative of the support Germany has provided to our bases while we are moving
troops to Iraq and other places.
So the friendship between Germany and the United States, and the United States and other nations that we have had
disagreements with over this issue will continue. We ll get through this. Europe will continue to grow under the
umbrella of the transatlantic relationship and alliance and I have no fears about its future.
It s not the first fight we ve had. I mean, would you like me to enumerate the fights. Let s go back to 1966, when .
QUESTION: France?
SECRETARY POWELL: Voila! (Laughter) Remember, we got thrown out of Paris. Go! Get out of here! But guess what happened.
The Alliance adapted.
This is a problem. We ve had a problem with many issues over the years. This has been a problem. It s a serious one. I
don t want to underestimate the seriousness of it. But at the same time, it s not a deathblow or a death knell
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, as the Frenchman here, I m sorry. (Laughter) I would like to ask the same question. Have you
made friends with your counterpart, Mr. Villepin, today? Is this over? Can we start again?
SECRETARY POWELL: I just finished meeting with Joschka Fischer and I met with Dominique earlier today.
QUESTION: You re good friends?
SECRETARY POWELL: Yeah, we are good friends. This had nothing to do with friendship. This had to do with business. That
s a mafia term. I don t think I . . . (Laughter) It s like out of the Godfather movie. This is not personal. This had
nothing to do with friendship. We never stopped being friends. We never stopped talking to each other. We argued, we
disagreed, we got mad, we fussed a bit and we fumed a lot. But we never broke the friendship.
We still have some debates and disagreements that we have to work our way through. But Dominique and I met this morning
and Joschka and I met this afternoon. I talk to them on the phone very frequently and I look forward to seeing them.
This is not a personal matter. This is business. We had a serious disagreement over a very, very serious situation, a
very serious policy disagreement. But these kind of disagreements come and they get dealt with somehow, and then they
go.
QUESTION: Who has power ?
SECRETARY POWELL: Was that the question?
QUESTION: Yes. Do you expect the situation now, enabling you to come back to some agreement on Iraq?
SECRETARY POWELL: What I am so pleased with, with respect to today s meetings, is that there was a sense that it is
time to come back together. And we can come back together, and we can join hands in interests again as we look to the
rebuilding of Iraq. Rebuilding it not from this military campaign, but from more than two decades of destruction by
Saddam Hussein. He is the one who has destroyed its society. Not us. We are rescuing its society and are going to build
a better society.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, who has power for an interim administration? There has to be another interim administration
between the Saddam regime and the interim administration of the Iraqis. How long will that be? How long with that
process be?
SECRETARY POWELL: We are conducting a military campaign and, once we started that campaign, the military commander and
the coalition political leaders bear responsibility for the ground that we are now occupying. So as the liberation
effort continues, and we break the grip of this regime on all the cities, and as we remove this regime, we immediately
have responsibility for security of the people, security of their property, security of the assets of the nation and for
ensuring the stability of the country and the territorial integrity of the country.
And there s no one else who could do that. You can t give that to anyone. You can t give that to the UN or the EU. It
is the responsibility of the force that went in. It shouldn t surprise . . . Wait a minute, I have to answer the
question.
QUESTION: No, no. How long will it take?
SECRETARY POWELL: You re interrupting my answer. I m going to get there.
This is not a responsibility that can be given to anyone else, because we have the forces and we have the authority to
do this. Now, we are anxious to, as quickly as we can, establish security and stability, make sure people are being fed,
make sure we are rebuilding the infrastructure to deliver water, food and medicine to the people.
As quickly as we can, we want to begin shifting responsibility from the military to civilian ministries again that have
now been reformed with our assistance. We have civil administrators and people who will be coming in to help these Iraqi
ministries start to function again, without Ba ath party leaders and without the tyranny of Saddam Hussein. And then we
will create, as you heard, an interim authority which, as soon as it demonstrates its capacity to act and to handle
authority and responsibility, we want to shift more and more to them.
Meanwhile, the U.N will have developed its role and, under appropriate Security Council resolutions, will be performing
a role.
Now, to your question, sir, I wasn t trying to dodge it, but I can t give you a precise answer. I can t tell you today
that stability will occur in a week or in a month. It is event- and situationally-driven. Yes, ma am?
QUESTION: What s going on again between you and Mr. Rumsfeld, I mean your colleague and you on the future of Iraq from
an economic, a business point of view? And do you think you can get anything in a future Iraq? I mean, contracts for
companies or Mr. Rumsfeld, or everything will happen as he wants, I mean, only U.S. companies get everything?
SECRETARY POWELL: That is not our position. The initial inflow of money going into the country will be coming, in the
first instance, from the United States, through our Agency for International Development. Contracts are being let now,
as quickly as we can, to companies that have the capacity to deliver what we need, run the port at Umm Qasr and things
of that nature. As we get further into this, there will be European Union funds that become available, and the European
Union will decide how those funds are spent. And then, in due course, as we get the oil system up and running again .
QUESTION: Energy system as well?
SECRETARY POWELL: Yes, but I m thinking in terms of exported oil, which provides revenues. This is a wealthy country.
And so as that revenue stream starts to come back and provides funds for the Iraqi government, then it will be up to the
new Iraqi government, the Iraqi authorities to determine how they re going to spend their money and where to award
contracts.
So we are in the process of determining how we can make it clear to the world that there is no -- as some have
suggested in some press accounts that there is a blacklist of companies that cannot get contracts or awards. We are
making it very transparent as to what needs we have through the Agency for International Development and how to place a
bid against those needs for those contracts.
QUESTION: Talking about contracts and reconstruction, do you anticipate any difference in access to these contracts and
projects for reconstruction of Iraq to the countries which supported American policy towards Iraq and others?
SECRETARY POWELL: I think what we will have to do is make sure that, as we use the money that belongs to the Iraqi
people that we generated through the use of oil revenue, we put in place a transparent system and ultimately these are
decisions that will be made by the Iraqi authorities.
QUESTION: (unintelligible)
SECRETARY POWELL: Yes. For the initial workup, we do not have any blacklist. Now how the contracts will be awarded and
to whom, I m not in a position to say because I m the Secretary of State and all I own is AID.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, will you try to repair the damage done by the (unintelligible) and invite European companies
between [sic] France and Germany .
SECRETARY POWELL: Nobody has not invited European companies. This is a process that is just getting started and so we
will have to see how it develops as we go forward.
QUESTION: Sir, how surprised, if at all, are you by the lack of a popular uprising or showing of support for the
incoming forces?
SECRETARY POWELL: I think we will see more of that. There were some reports today, from Najaf I think it was, once
people realized there that the grip of the Ba ath party and the grip of the regime had been broken, they were very
welcoming and expressed their welcome to coalition forces.
What we re seeing in the South is that once Ba ath party leadership is broken and once people are no longer fearful,
they are coming out and they are starting to cooperate with the coalition forces. Coalition forces have started to hire
them for jobs, are providing a secure water source of a kind they have not seen in years. I think they have been uneasy.
They have been anxious -- are the coalition forces really here to stay? Or is it going to be something similar to what
happened unfortunately in 1991? So I think confidence will develop once they realize that the grip of this regime has
been broken forever, and a better life awaits them. Then I think that you will see a level of cooperation with coalition
forces and other international organizations when they arrive.
MR. BOUCHER: We have five minutes and I think two people who have not had the chance to ask questions yet.
QUESTION: I still don t understand the role of the United Nations. What will be exactly the role you foresee for the
United Nations? Will it be only reconstruction or aid for the people or .
SECRETARY POWELL: It will certainly be that and it will also be the organization that has to provide an endorsement to
the authority and, hopefully, an endorsement as well to what coalition efforts will be to support the authority.
But it s premature to try to answer the question today of exactly what will the UN be doing. Kofi Annan was not at any
of these meetings today. So this was a way by which we could discuss with our European colleagues what their views are.
The real discussion, the real debate as to the exact role of the UN will take place at the Security Council in New York,
not in Brussels.
QUESTION: This is a war against terrorism, but the list of countries that support terrorism is quite long. North Korea,
Syria, Iran. What will you do when the war in Iraq is over? Should we expect other wars?
SECRETARY POWELL: This was a war against weapons of mass destruction. This was a war against a rogue regime that is
also a terrorist regime that for twelve years had violated its obligations under a total of seventeen UN resolutions.
Once again, even after the whole Security Council came together last November, fifteen to zero, and said, Stop. Stop
now. Immediately. Unconditionally. Without hesitation. No more fooling around. You re guilty. You re in material breach.
Stop it. And they still played games. And they tried to stretch it out. And they tried to break the will of the
international community. And so we saw Operation Iraqi Freedom.
There is this perception in many parts of Europe, frankly, that now that the United States has done this, we re just
looking around for another place to go to war. It s as if you don t know our history. We don t look for wars to go to.
We do this reluctantly. You perhaps should look at European history first, for a preemptive action and nations that
enjoy going to war.
And so we are not looking for wars to go to. We are looking for place that we can work with to solve the problem of
HIV/AIDS, to solve the problem of famine, to solve the problem of economic growth, to solve the problem of sustainable
growth. That s what we really want to do. But we will not turn away from those regimes that are supporting terrorist
activities, not after 9/11 we won t. So we will say to the world Syria supports terrorist activities. Iran supports
terrorist activities. Iran is developing weapons of mass destruction.
It doesn t mean, as the night follows day, that there is going to be a war with Syria, Iran or North Korea. In fact,
what has been driving me to some distraction the last couple of months, is that we ve been working so hard to have a
multilateral approach to North Korea, and to engage the neighbors of North Korea China, South Korea, Russia and Japan in
finding a solution. And the criticism I get all the time is Why aren t you unilaterally saying to the North Koreans, let
s talk right away? And the other question I get is, If you re invading Iraq, why aren t you invading North Korea? It s
almost as if you re disappointed.
There are many ways to deal with the problems that face the world. We want to deal with this problem here and now, put
in place a better society for the people of Iraq. We will try to solve the other problems that exist in these rogue
states and these states that support terrorism.
We also don t want to lose sight of our broader agenda: the expansion of NATO, the expansion of the European Union and
therefore the expansion of the transatlantic family. Going after HIV/AIDS, which is killing more people every month than
any conflict that is taking place on the face of the earth. Famine, drought, horrible human circumstances that we need
to turn our attention to. Making sure war does not break out between India and Pakistan. Making sure that the community
of democracies grows and thrives around the world. Making sure we have stable relations with China and with Russia, two
major other powers on the face of the earth. These are all part of our agenda. We re not looking for places to go
invade.
QUESTION: Mr. Secretary, here at NATO, what kind of role would you hope for for NATO in peacekeeping in Iraq?
SECRETARY POWELL: We don t have an answer. We ve made some suggestions. Could be stability operations, peacekeeping
operations. We ve also suggested it might be helpful in the search for weapons of mass destruction. What I m pleased
about today is that no one spoke out against such a role in the meetings that I was in. There was a willingness to
consider a role for NATO in Iraq. Also, there was further willingness expressed today to consider a role for NATO in
Afghanistan. We ll see how that develops. Ambassador Burns will be following up on those ideas. [End]
Released on April 5, 2003