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Cablegate: A/S Kelly's Bilateral Meeting with Vietnamese Deputy Fm Bin: Regional Issues, Bta, U.S. Activitist Groups

Published: Tue 22 May 2001 10:34 AM
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FM AMEMBASSY HANOI
TO SECSTATE WASHDC PRIORITY 2944
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USMISSION GENEVA
AMCONSUL HO CHI MINH CITY
ASEAN COLLECTIVE
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NSC FOR EAST ASIAN DIRECTORATE
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SUBJECT: A/S KELLY'S BILATERAL MEETING WITH VIETNAMESE DEPUTY FM BIN: REGIONAL ISSUES, BTA, U.S. ACTIVITIST GROUPS
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REF: HANOI 1217
1. (SBU) SUMMARY: ON MAY 17, FOLLOWING ARF SOM MEETINGS IN
HANOI, ASSISTANT SECRETARY KELLY ENGAGED IN CORDIAL BUT
FRANK DISCUSSIONS WITH FIRST DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER NGUYEN
DINH BIN ON A RANGE OF ISSUES, INCLUDING THE CONTINUITY OF
U.S. POLICIES IN THE REGION AND U.S.-VIETNAM RELATIONS. BIN
PRAISED THE REMARKABLE PROGRESS MADE IN A NUMBER OF AREAS OF
`AGREEMENT' BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES, AND STRESSED THE
IMPORTANCE OF EARLY RATIFICATION OF THE BILATERAL TRADE
AGREEMENT. HE NOTED, HOWEVER, AREAS OF `DISAGREEMENT'
REMAIN, INCLUDING PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH GROUPS IN THE
U.S. WHICH SUPPORT ANTI-GVN ACTIVITIES. ADDITIONALLY, HE
RECITED THE OFT-HEARD REFRAIN THE U.S. HAS FAILED TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THE "CONSEQUENCES OF WAR", REFERRING
PARTICULARLY TO THE ALLEGED CONTINUING WIDESPREAD EFFECTS OF
AGENT ORANGE DIOXIN CONTAMINATION. HE SAID THE GVN LOOKS
FORWARD TO LEARNING MORE ABOUT THE LATE JULY VISIT OF
SECRETARY POWELL TO ATTEND SENIOR ASEAN/ARF MEETINGS IN
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HANOI, SO THAT THE MINISTRY CAN UNDERTAKE ARRANGEMENTS. THE
FOLLOWING DAY, KELLY PAID A CALL ON FOREIGN MINISTER NIEN.
THAT MEETING WAS REPORTED REFTEL. END SUMMARY.
2. (U) ON MAY 17, FOLLOWING THE CONCLUSION OF ASEAN
REGIONAL FORUM SENIOR OFFICIALS MEETING, ASSISTANT SECRETARY
JIM KELLY, ACCOMPANIED BY AMBASSADOR PETERSON, DAS BOYCE,
DCM HARTER, EAP/RSP DIRECTOR STROTZ, ECONOMIC COUNSELOR DRY,
POLITICAL OFFICER COLEMAN, AND EAP STAFF AID WOLFF, MET WITH
FIRST DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER NGUYEN DINH BIN, INTERNATIONAL
ORGANIZATION AFFAIRS DIRECTOR DINH THI MINH HUYEN, DEPUTY
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DIRECTOR AMERICAS DEPARTMENT DOAN XUAN HUNG, DEPUTY DIRECTOR
POLICY PLANNING OFFICE TRAN DUC MAU, AMERICAS DESK OFFICERS
NGUYEN THI BAO HUONG AND HA KIM NGOC, AND BIN STAFF AID TRAN
QUANG TUYEN FOR BILATERAL DISCUSSIONS. SINCE THIS WAS THE
FIRST OPPORTUNITY FOR BIN TO MEET WITH THE ASSISTANT
SECRETARY, HIS PRESENTATION COVERED A NUMBER OF AREAS.
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3. (SBU) BIN OPENED NOTING BOTH THE U.S. AND VIETNAM HAD
RECENTLY EXPERIENCED MAJOR POLITICAL CHANGE: IN THE U.S.,
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION HAD ASSUMED OFFICE; IN VIETNAM, THE
COUNTRY HAD CONCLUDED ITS NINTH PARTY CONGRESS. IN
RESPONSE, KELLY ASSURED BIN THERE WOULD BE CONTINUITY IN
APPROACH BY THE NEW ADMINISTRATION IN THE REGION AND IN
VIETNAM IN PARTICULAR. THE `HOLDOVER' APPOINTMENT OF
AMBASSADOR PETERSON WAS EVIDENCE OF THAT IN VIETNAM. KELLY
UNDERSCORED THROUGHOUT THE REGION, WHILE "THERE WILL LIKELY
BE CHANGES IN TONE," THE APPROACH WITH EVERY IMPORTANT
RELATIONSHIP WILL REMAIN QUITE SIMILAR AS THAT OF FORMER
ADMINISTRATION. HE SAID BOTH PRESIDENT BUSH AND SECRETARY
POWELL HAD TOLD HIM TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE IN
CONSULTATIONS WITH ASIAN COUNTRIES. THE ADMINISTRATION
WANTS TO GET TO KNOW THESE "FRIENDS" TO GET A BETTER SENSE
OF THEIR PROBLEMS, INTERESTS AND PERSPECTIVES. KELLY SAID HE
ATTENDED THE ARF SOM MEETINGS TO GET A BETTER SENSE OF THE
POLICIES AND ISSUES TO BE IN A POSITION TO COUNSEL SECRETARY
POWELL FOR HIS VISIT TO HANOI IN LATE JULY FOR ASEAN ARF/PMC
MEETINGS.
4. (SBU) KELLY SAID ONLY DAYS EARLIER HE HAD ASSUMED HIS
POSITION AS ASSISTANT SECRETARY, YET, HE'D VISITED JAPAN,
KOREA, SINGAPORE, AND OTHER COUNTRIES EN ROUTE TO VIETNAM,
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AS WELL AS HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE IN TALKS IN
CHINA. IN VIETNAM, HE HAD MET REPRESENTATIVES OF ALL SOUTH
EAST ASIAN COUNTRIES. EVERYWHERE HE'S ENGAGED IN TWO WAY
DISCUSSION AND EXPLAINED THE PRESIDENT'S THINKING BEHIND HIS
MAY 1 SPEECH WITH REFERENCE TO NUCLEAR AND STRATEGIC
CONSIDERATIONS.
5. (SBU) BIN SAID HE WAS PLEASED WITH KELLY'S INTEREST IN
THE REGION AND IN VIETNAM. HE SAID THE NINTH PARTY
CONGRESS'S CONCLUSION IN APRIL SHOWED NOT ONLY THAT VIETNAM
REAFFIRMS THE DOMESTIC `DOI MOI' OR `RENOVATION' POLICIES,
BUT ALSO THAT THE COUNTRY'S COMMITMENT TO OPENNESS TO THE
OUTSIDE WILL CONTINUE. VIETNAM STANDS TO SERVE "AS A
FRIENDLY AND RELIABLE PARTNER", HE SAID. "WE ATTACH GREAT
IMPORTANCE TO DEVELOPING RELATIONS WITH THE U.S. WHILE WE
HAVE DIFFERENCES, WE ALSO HAVE COMMON INTERESTS." GOOD
RELATIONS WITH THE U.S. WILL NOT ONLY SERVE THE INTERESTS OF
THE TWO COUNTRIES, BUT ALSO HELP PROMOTE REGIONAL PEACE AND
STABILITY.
6. (SBU) ACCORDING TO BIN, AREAS WHERE THE U.S. AND VIETNAM
HAVE MADE SUBSTANTIAL PROGRESS INCLUDE SCIENTIFIC AND
TECHNOLOGICAL COOPERATION, COMMERCE, EDUCATIONAL EXCHANGE,
METEOROLOGY, LABOR, AND HUMANITARIAN WORK. THE BILATERAL
S AGREEMENT CAME INTO EFFECT ON MARCH 26 AND THE TWO SIDES
ARE ACTIVELY PURSUING IMPLEMENTATION. HE SPECIFICALLY
PRAISED THE WORK OF THE TRADE AND DEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND
MENTIONED THAT AGENCY'S SUPPORT FOR DESIGN AND UPGRADE OF
THE DA NANG AIRPORT. BIN SPOKE HIGHLY OF U.S. -VIETNAM
COOPERATIVE EFFORTS IN EDUCATION, TOO, HIGHLIGHTING THE
FULBRIGHT AND INTERNATIONAL VISITORS PROGRAMS, AS WELL AS
THE EDUCATIONAL TRUST ESTABLISHED LAST YEAR FUNDED BY
VIETNAMESE DEBT PAYMENTS TO THE U.S. HE SAID THESE
ACTIVITIES WILL DIRECTLY SUPPORT HUMAN RESOURCE DEVELOPMENT
IN VIETNAM. HE NOTED THE RECENT VISITS TO VIETNAM OF CODEL
CRANE AND STAFFDEL ATKINS.
7. BUT, HE CONTINUED, "SPEAKING FRANKLY PROBLEMS HAVE
DEVELOPED AFFECTING THE RELATIONSHIP." THE TWO SIDES NEED
TO FIND WAYS TO CONTINUE MOMENTUM IN THE RELATIONSHIP.
POLITICAL DIALOGUE AND EXCHANGE NEEDS "TO CONTINUE AND
INTENSIFY." HE EMPHASIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF NOVEMBER'S
VISIT TO VIETNAM OF PRESIDENT CLINTON. HE HOPED IN YEARS
AHEAD FOR OTHER HIGH-LEVEL VISITS. SIMILARLY, FREQUENT
CONTACTS BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENT AND THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN
AFFAIRS WOULD HELP ADDRESS "EMERGING ISSUES." IN THAT
REGARD, BIN WELCOMED THE UPCOMING VISIT OF RICHARD HAAS OF
THE POLICY PLANNING OFFICE TO PARTICIPATE IN POLICY TALKS
WITH THE GVN. ALSO, BIN SAID THE VIETNAMESE SIDE WAS
PLEASED WITH THE PROSPECT OF SECRETARY POWELL'S LATE JULY
VISIT. NOT ONLY WILL THE VISIT ADVANCE THE ASEAN DIALOGUE,
BUT IT ALSO WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE
TWO FOREIGN MINISTRIES TO COOPERATE. HE SOUGHT "PROPOSED
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PLANS AND PROGRAMS" FOR THE SECRETARY TO BEGIN UNDERTAKING
ARRANGEMENTS.
8. BIN NOTED THE CENTRAL IMPORTANCE OF TRADE AND ECONOMICS
IN THE RELATIONSHIP. IT HAD TAKEN FOUR YEARS TO CONCLUDE
THE BILATERAL TRADE AGREEMENT (BTA). THE BTA LAYS THE
FOUNDATION FOR THE RELATIONSHIP TO MOVE AHEAD. ITS
IMPLEMENTATION WILL MUTUALLY BENEFIT BOTH SIDES. "WE SHOULD
NOT ATTACH DIFFICULTIES OR CONDITIONS TO THE RATIFICATION
PROCESS." HE ASKED REGARDING THE TIMING OF THE SUBMISSION
OF THE BTA TO CONGRESS. HE SAID VIETNAM IS PREPARING FOR
RATIFICATION BY THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY, AS WELL AS FOR
IMPLEMENTATION FOLLOWING RATIFICATION. THE VIETNAMESE
GOVERNMENT HAS BRIEFED NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DELEGATES ON THE
BTA. "IF THERE ARE DELAYS IN RATIFICATION," HE SAID, "IT
WILL CALL INTO QUESTION THE INTENTION OF THE U.S. SIDE."
BIN NOTED THE U.S. HAS ENJOYED MFN TREATMENT FROM VIETNAM
UNILATERALLY FOR IMPORTS. HE SAID DELAYS IN RATIFICATION BY
THE CONGRESS COULD RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONTINUATION OF
THIS POLICY.
9. (SBU) ON HUMANITARIAN RELATIONS, BIN SPOKE HIGHLY OF THE
COOPERATION BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES ON MIA/POW FULLEST
POSSIBLE ACCOUNTING, AND NOTED SADLY THE TRAGIC ACCIDENT IN
APRIL WHEN A VIETNAMESE HELICOPTER CONTRACTED BY THE JOINT
TASK FORCE CRASHED KILLING A TOTAL OF SIXTEEN AMERICANS AND
VIETNAMESE. HE ALSO PRAISED U.S. DISASTER RELIEF AND
MITIGATION ASSISTANCE SAYING THE U.S. PROVIDES NEEDED
SUPPORT WHENEVER DISASTER STRIKES. HOWEVER, HE CONTINUED,
REGARDING THE "CONSEQUENCES OF WAR", THE U.S. SHOULD BEAR
"MORAL AND MATERIAL RESPONSIBILITY." THE GVN PROVIDES A
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MONTHLY ALLOWANCE FOR VICTIMS OF `AGENT ORANGE', BUT IT IS
NOT ENOUGH. A NUMBER OF NGOS, BIN SAID, HAVE BEGUN
PROVIDING ASSISTANCE. HOWEVER, THE LEVEL "FALLS SHORT".
WHILE HE SAID IT IS NECESSARY TO PURSUE RESEARCH, BECAUSE
THE CONSEQUENCES OF WAR ARE SO SERIOUS, THE GOVERNMENT FEELS
IT CANNOT AWAIT THE OUTCOME OF THE RESEARCH. HE URGED THE
U.S. TO MAKE A "PRACTICAL CONTRIBUTION" TO VICTIMS NOW.
FINALLY, HE SAID TWO YEARS AGO THE VIETNAMESE RED CROSS WAS
DESIGNATED AS THE ENTITY TO RECEIVE CONTRIBUTIONS FOR A.O.
VICTIMS.
10. (SBU) BIN ALSO REITERATED THAT THE U.S. IS NOT LIVING
UP TO THE COMMITMENTS THE DEPARTMENT'S SPOKESPERSON MADE IN
A DECEMBER 19, 2000 STATEMENT WHICH DEPLORED PRIVATE
AMERICAN CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT IN ANTI-FOREIGN GOVERNMENT
ACTIVITY. HE SAID THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE OF VIETNAMESE
ORIGIN IN THE UNITED STATES CONTINUE TO ENGAGE IN ACTIVITIES
HARMFUL TO VIETNAMESE STABILITY. HE ALSO TOOK EXCEPTION TO
RECENT STATE DEPARTMENT ISSUED HUMAN RIGHTS REPORT ON
VIETNAM, AS WELL AS THE STATEMENT MADE BY THE COMMISSION ON
INTERNATIONAL RELIGIOUS FREEDOM WHICH "FAILED TO REFLECT THE
TRUE SITUATION IN OUR COUNTRY." BIN ALSO CRITICIZED THE
DECISION OF THE U.S. TO ACCEPT FOR SETTLEMENT IN THE U.S.
VIETNAMESE CITIZENS WHO "ILLEGALLY MIGRATED" TO CAMBODIA
(FOLLOWING THE EARLY FEBRUARY DEMONSTRATIONS IN THE CENTRAL
HIGHLANDS).
11. (SBU) KELLY RESPONDED BY APPRECIATING THE MANY AREAS OF
DEEP COOPERATION BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES. HE TOO
REGRETTED THE TRAGIC HELICOPTER ACCIDENT IN APRIL. HE
COMMENTED THE BEST MEASURE TO IMPROVE THE RELATIONSHIP IS
HONEST DISCUSSION NOT ONLY IN AREAS OF AGREEMENT, BUT ALSO
IN AREAS OF DISAGREEMENT. HE SAID THE ASEAN REGIONAL FORUM
REPRESENTED A CASE WHERE THERE WAS A SURPRISING AMOUNT OF
COOPERATION AND CONSENSUS AMONG DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. THE
VISIT OF S/P DIRECTOR RICHARD HAAS WILL PERMIT THE TWO SIDES
TO CONTINUE THE POLICY DIALOGUE. THE SECRETARY SHOULD ALSO
HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH VIETNAMESE OFFICIALS.
HOWEVER, KELLY SAID IT WAS NOT YET CLEAR HOW MUCH TIME HE
WOULD HAVE TO SPEND IN VIETNAM, GIVEN THE PRESS OF OTHER
URGENT INTERNATIONAL ISSUES.
12. (SBU) REGARDING THE BTA, KELLY SAID THERE WAS A BROAD
CONSENSUS IN WASHINGTON IN FAVOR OF THE AGREEMENT THE BTA
ITSELF DOES NOT NEED RENEGOTIATION, BUT OTHER DOMESTIC TRADE
ISSUES STILL NEED TO BE SORTED OUT. "EVERY COUNTRY HAS
INTERNAL DEBATES OVER RESOLVING TRADE ISSUES." WORK IN THAT
REGARD SHOULD BE COMPLETED QUICKLY, KELLY SAID.
13. (SBU) KELLY EXPRESSED SURPRISE AT THE PROMINENCE OF THE
AGENT ORANGE ISSUE IN THE BILATERAL RELATIONSHIP. HE SAID
HE WOULD EXPLORE THE ISSUE MORE. YET AT THE SAME TIME, HE
NOTED THAT ILLNESSES ARE VERY MUCH A PART OF EVERY HUMAN'S
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LIFE (IMPLYING VIETNAM CANNOT ATTRIBUTE THE LION'S SHARE OF
ILLNESS IN THE COUNTRY TO THE EFFECTS OF RESIDUAL DIOXIN
FROM AGENT ORANGE SPRAYING FROM THE WAR PERIOD). KELLY
ADDED THAT THE U.S. POLICY ON AGENT ORANGE REMAINS THAT WE
BACK FURTHER RESEARCH AND WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO MOVE
AHEAD ON THE PROPOSALS WE HAVE MADE.
14. (SBU) KELLY SAID U.S. ASSISTANCE TO MONTAGNARDS WHO
FLED TO CAMBODIA FROM THE CENTRAL HIGHLANDS WAS FULLY
CONSISTENT WITH INTERNATIONAL NORMS AND U.S. POLICY.
FURTHERMORE, HE URGED THE GVN TO PERMIT CONSISTENT AND
REGULAR ACCESS TO THE AREA BY EMBASSY OFFICERS. THIS WOULD
BRING THE SITUATION THERE TO LIGHT, PROMOTING TRANSPARENCY
AND UNDERSTANDING. BIN REPLIED LATER IN THE MONTH DIPLOMATS
(AS A GROUP) HAVE BEEN INVITED TO TRAVEL TO THE CENTRAL
HIGHLANDS. ON THE MATTER OF THE DEPARTMENT'S DECEMBER 19
STATEMENT, KELLY AND AMBASSADOR PETERSON REAFFIRMED THAT IT
WAS OUR POLICY TO ATTEMPT TO PREVENT AMERICANS FROM
INVOLVING THEMSELVES IN TERRORIST ACTIVITIES ABROAD. THAT
THIS WAS A GENERAL U.S. POLICY AND THE STATEMENT WAS MEANT
NOT ONLY TO PROVIDE ASSURANCES TO VIETNAM, BUT ALSO CAMBODIA
AND LAOS. WHILE NOTING CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS
PERMITTING FREE SPEECH, THE KELLY AND THE AMBASSADOR
INDICATED THERE ARE CASES WHEN THE U.S. WILL ACT AGAINST
ANTI-FOREIGN REGIME ACTIVITY. IN THAT REGARD, KELLY NOTED
SOME U.S. CITIZENS INVOLVED IN EUROPEAN TERRORISM WERE PUT
ON THE TERRORIST LIST.
15. (SBU) AS KELLY EXPRESSED THE USG'S DESIRE TO BEGIN
PROCESSING OF FORMER U.S. GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES (U-11 CASES)
REMAINING UNDER THE ORDERLY DEPARTURE PROGRAM. HE NOTED
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VIETNAM'S AGREEMENT IN 1999 TO ALLOW US TO DO SO LATER THAT
YEAR. WHEN VICE MINISTER BIN RAISED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THE
U.S. DELAYED THE PROCESSING UNTIL NOW, AMBASSADOR PETERSON
PROVIDED BACKGROUND ON THE SUBJECT AND URGED HANOI TO PERMIT
THE EARLIER AGREEMENT TO STAND. BIN SAID HE APPRECIATED THE
AMBASSADOR'S EXPLANATION AND WOULD MAKE SURE OTHER CONCERNED
OFFICIALS UNDERSTOOD THE U.S. EXPLANATION.
COMMENT
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16. (SBU) THERE WAS LITTLE OF SURPRISE IN DEPUTY MINISTER
BIN'S BRIEFING TO ASSISTANT SECRETARY KELLY ON THE STATE OF
U.S.-VIETNAM RELATIONS; THESE SAME ISSUES COME UP TIME AND
AGAIN BETWEEN MFA OFFICIALS AND EMBASSY OFFICERS. WE
CONTINUE TO SEE EYE-TO-EYE ON SOME THINGS: E.G., TRADE, S
COOPERATION, DISASTER MITIGATION, DEMINING, A LABOR
DIALOGUE, INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION COOPERATION. WHILE
AREAS OF DISAGREEMENT (E.G., AGENT ORANGE) REMAIN
INTRACTABLE, WE CAN DISCUSS THE ISSUES AND SHARE PROPOSALS
WHICH HOPEFULLY ONE DAY WILL MOVE THE AGENDA FORWARD. WE
CONCUR IN BIN'S SUGGESTION THAT BOTH SIDES INCREASE CONTACTS
AND DIALOGUE AS A MEANS OF FURTHER ADVANCING THE
RELATIONSHIP. NB: THE KELLY/BIN MEETING TOOK PLACE PRIOR TO
EMBASSY LEARNING THAT THE GVN HAD ARRESTED HUE-BASED
DISSIDENT PRIEST FATHER NGUYEN VAN LY. KELLY MET THE
FOLLOWING DAY IN A LESS FORMAL AND BRIEFER MEETING FORMAT
WITH FOREIGN MINISTER NIEN AND DISCUSSED THAT INCIDENT. SEE
REFTEL. END COMMENT.
17. (U) ASSISTANT SECRETARY KELLY DID NOT HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS MESSAGE PRIOR TO HIS DEPARTURE
FROM HANOI.
PETERSON
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